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I was back in Dublin lately and got the same feeling. Everyone talking about immigration, unfair housing and poverty. It's gone from being a friendly place to

I was back in Dublin lately and got the same feeling. Everyone talking about immigration, unfair housing and poverty. It's gone from being a friendly place to a suspicious one in a handful of years.

closewith 3y ago
I wonder if it's just something you've become aware of recently. Certainly unfair housing and poverty have plagued the city its entire existence, and were always hotbed topics in living memory. If by immigration, you mean the refugee crisis, that's a pan-European affair. Another commenter here said: > I think it's the revelation that a shared culture and experience whose existence you took for granted really never existed. You feel untethered. I think that may have happened to you.
- ilikerashers 3y ago
  I don't live there or share the viewpoint. I picked it up from people I know who live there now and how their attitudes have changed. While it might be pan-European, the sentiment in Dublin is certainly new. People seem... fed up. Now there's been a far-right riot, the rest of the world is also aware.
  - closewith 3y ago
    > While it might be pan-European, the sentiment in Dublin is certainly new. That's the point, it's not new. You and others are just realising that the shared culture and experience you thought was universal was just a bubble.
    - ilikerashers 3y ago
      While it’s a nice thought experiment, I find it hard to dismiss centuries of culture as a bubble. The idea that history is meaningless is dangerous.
      - closewith 3y ago
        I live in Ireland and work in frontline healthcare. I interact with people all across the country and the socio-economic spectrum. I can tell you that you definitely were and are likely still in a bubble. The Dublin you thought you knew never existed and the change you think you've experienced is a Dublin that was always there. This is very common amongst my friends and colleagues in tech. They live in a different world.
        ilikerashers 3y ago
        Spinning out the "tech elites" trope is a bit of a jaded argument (and you're commenting on a tech forum?). My experience of Ireland is outside of Dublin which seems to be where you've formed your negative framing of the country. The dialogue has regressed into anti-immigrant/anti-government sentiment. And no, it wasn't always that way in the same ferocity. It might make you feel superior telling people they're out of touch as you're a "frontline worker" but sounds a lot like hubris.
        closewith 3y ago
        > The dialogue has regressed into anti-immigrant/anti-government sentiment. And no, it wasn't always that way in the same ferocity. This is the bubble I'm referring to. It's a delusion. > It might make you feel superior telling people they're out of touch as you're a "frontline worker" but sounds a lot like hubris. You may take it that way, but you own comments show just how out of touch you have been. I wonder if you've ever had a conversation outside your bubble in Ireland?
graemep 3y ago
I think there is a genuine widespread problem across the west. A come down from the highs of fast economic growth, world dominance, high hopes of "the end of history" etc. Central London actually feels very good to me when I go there. I think there is a lot of who you are and where you are involved too, and when you compare it to.

I was back in Dublin lately and got the same feeling. Everyone talking about immigration, unfair housing and poverty. It's gone from being a friendly place to a suspicious one in a handful of years.

closewith 3y ago

I wonder if it's just something you've become aware of recently. Certainly unfair housing and poverty have plagued the city its entire existence, and were always hotbed topics in living memory. If by immigration, you mean the refugee crisis, that's a pan-European affair. Another commenter here said: > I think it's the revelation that a shared culture and experience whose existence you took for granted really never existed. You feel untethered. I think that may have happened to you.

ilikerashers 3y ago
I don't live there or share the viewpoint. I picked it up from people I know who live there now and how their attitudes have changed. While it might be pan-European, the sentiment in Dublin is certainly new. People seem... fed up. Now there's been a far-right riot, the rest of the world is also aware.
- closewith 3y ago
  > While it might be pan-European, the sentiment in Dublin is certainly new. That's the point, it's not new. You and others are just realising that the shared culture and experience you thought was universal was just a bubble.
  - ilikerashers 3y ago
    While it’s a nice thought experiment, I find it hard to dismiss centuries of culture as a bubble. The idea that history is meaningless is dangerous.
    - closewith 3y ago
      I live in Ireland and work in frontline healthcare. I interact with people all across the country and the socio-economic spectrum. I can tell you that you definitely were and are likely still in a bubble. The Dublin you thought you knew never existed and the change you think you've experienced is a Dublin that was always there. This is very common amongst my friends and colleagues in tech. They live in a different world.
      - ilikerashers 3y ago
        Spinning out the "tech elites" trope is a bit of a jaded argument (and you're commenting on a tech forum?). My experience of Ireland is outside of Dublin which seems to be where you've formed your negative framing of the country. The dialogue has regressed into anti-immigrant/anti-government sentiment. And no, it wasn't always that way in the same ferocity. It might make you feel superior telling people they're out of touch as you're a "frontline worker" but sounds a lot like hubris.
        closewith 3y ago
        > The dialogue has regressed into anti-immigrant/anti-government sentiment. And no, it wasn't always that way in the same ferocity. This is the bubble I'm referring to. It's a delusion. > It might make you feel superior telling people they're out of touch as you're a "frontline worker" but sounds a lot like hubris. You may take it that way, but you own comments show just how out of touch you have been. I wonder if you've ever had a conversation outside your bubble in Ireland?

graemep 3y ago

I think there is a genuine widespread problem across the west. A come down from the highs of fast economic growth, world dominance, high hopes of "the end of history" etc. Central London actually feels very good to me when I go there. I think there is a lot of who you are and where you are involved too, and when you compare it to.