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Windows AI Studio is in real a Linux AI Studio as it needs WSL to run. Little funny

by blackoil 3y ago

troupo 3y ago
Obligatory "is this the year of Linux in desktop" joke
- pjmlp 3y ago
  It is kind of ironic that the Year of Linux on the Desktop is all based on having Linux VMs across all major mainstream desktop OSes, even on ChromeOS, Crostini runs inside something similar to WSL.
severino 3y ago
But can you get this to run in Linux? From the article I can see it's a VSCode extension or something like that but the name kind of implies it's Windows only.
- diffeomorphism 3y ago
  > https://github.com/microsoft/windows-ai-studio/blob/main/QA.md https://github.com/microsoft/windows-ai-studio/blob/main/QA.... For now, but seems to be planned in the future.
  - severino 3y ago
    Yep, didn't read that. In the meantime, kudos to Canonical (and other parties) who helped Microsoft with WSL. Now they can also use Linux to produce Windows-only software! :D
    - baz00 3y ago
      The effort always stops when the commercial goal is achieved.
      - ktm5j 3y ago
        I don't know, once upon a time I would have agreed with you, but recently I'm optimistic that MS is genuinely trying to break out of that behavior. Time will tell.
- capableweb 3y ago
  The link takes me to marketplace.visualstudio.com which makes it seem like a Visual Studio extension, not a VSCode extension? Not sure, it's as confusing as the live/hotmail/outlook/authentication parts of Microsoft tends to be. Besides, it says the following: > Windows AI Studio will run only on NVIDIA GPUs for the preview, so please make sure to check your device spec. WSL Ubuntu distro 18.4 or greater should be installed and is set to default prior to using Windows AI Studio. So seems it'll only run in Linux, as it's a requirement to have Ubuntu WSL running beforehand.
  - severino 3y ago
    > So seems it'll only run in Linux, as it's a requirement to have Ubuntu WSL running beforehand. Yes, it'll only run in Linux, but only when that Linux is also running inside Windows.
mmis1000 3y ago
that probably explain why nvidia only. Amd don't really have rocm for linux on latest consumer cards.
- KeplerBoy 3y ago
  ROCM support for windows is also just a few months old.
- iotku 3y ago
  The Nvidia container toolkit works pretty much out of the box on WSL these days as well. Funny that some cuda stuff works better through Windows virtualizing Linux than Windows natively, but if we're being honest even as a native Linux user, WSL probably provides a better user experience (vs having to use Nvidia drivers on Linux anyways)
  - idonotknowwhy 3y ago
    Hasn't been my experience. Windows keeps a few hundred mb of vram tied up for the gui, Linux only holds 14mb per GPU
  - theturtle32 3y ago
    Having had the displeasure of trying to get CUDA running under WSL2, I can tell you it is most definitely not a better user experience :-P
    - nightski 3y ago
      Weird it was pretty much turn key here. Maybe that was the early days when it was in beta?
    - freeone3000 3y ago
      Is it a better user experience than trying to get CUDA natively? :P
      - angm128 3y ago

Windows AI Studio is in real a Linux AI Studio as it needs WSL to run. Little funny

troupo 3y ago

Obligatory "is this the year of Linux in desktop" joke

pjmlp 3y ago
It is kind of ironic that the Year of Linux on the Desktop is all based on having Linux VMs across all major mainstream desktop OSes, even on ChromeOS, Crostini runs inside something similar to WSL.

severino 3y ago

But can you get this to run in Linux? From the article I can see it's a VSCode extension or something like that but the name kind of implies it's Windows only.

diffeomorphism 3y ago
> https://github.com/microsoft/windows-ai-studio/blob/main/QA.md https://github.com/microsoft/windows-ai-studio/blob/main/QA.... For now, but seems to be planned in the future.
- severino 3y ago
  Yep, didn't read that. In the meantime, kudos to Canonical (and other parties) who helped Microsoft with WSL. Now they can also use Linux to produce Windows-only software! :D
  - baz00 3y ago
    The effort always stops when the commercial goal is achieved.
    - ktm5j 3y ago
      I don't know, once upon a time I would have agreed with you, but recently I'm optimistic that MS is genuinely trying to break out of that behavior. Time will tell.
capableweb 3y ago
The link takes me to marketplace.visualstudio.com which makes it seem like a Visual Studio extension, not a VSCode extension? Not sure, it's as confusing as the live/hotmail/outlook/authentication parts of Microsoft tends to be. Besides, it says the following: > Windows AI Studio will run only on NVIDIA GPUs for the preview, so please make sure to check your device spec. WSL Ubuntu distro 18.4 or greater should be installed and is set to default prior to using Windows AI Studio. So seems it'll only run in Linux, as it's a requirement to have Ubuntu WSL running beforehand.
- severino 3y ago
  > So seems it'll only run in Linux, as it's a requirement to have Ubuntu WSL running beforehand. Yes, it'll only run in Linux, but only when that Linux is also running inside Windows.

mmis1000 3y ago

that probably explain why nvidia only. Amd don't really have rocm for linux on latest consumer cards.

KeplerBoy 3y ago
ROCM support for windows is also just a few months old.
iotku 3y ago
The Nvidia container toolkit works pretty much out of the box on WSL these days as well. Funny that some cuda stuff works better through Windows virtualizing Linux than Windows natively, but if we're being honest even as a native Linux user, WSL probably provides a better user experience (vs having to use Nvidia drivers on Linux anyways)
- idonotknowwhy 3y ago
  Hasn't been my experience. Windows keeps a few hundred mb of vram tied up for the gui, Linux only holds 14mb per GPU
- theturtle32 3y ago
  Having had the displeasure of trying to get CUDA running under WSL2, I can tell you it is most definitely not a better user experience :-P
  - nightski 3y ago
    Weird it was pretty much turn key here. Maybe that was the early days when it was in beta?
  - freeone3000 3y ago
    Is it a better user experience than trying to get CUDA natively? :P
    - angm128 3y ago