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Artist is still going to be the right word with these kinds of tools because you're still adjusting the result to get the desired look. Even if it were just col

Artist is still going to be the right word with these kinds of tools because you're still adjusting the result to get the desired look. Even if it were just collage it would still be art.

iteygib 3y ago
They didn't make the content, they just adjusted it based on samples from others who made the art by hand.
tguvot 3y ago
so, if i retain painter/sculptor/etc to perform a job, and go with him for multiple iteration to get a desired look, will I be artist as well ?
- tomatotomato31 3y ago
  Either yes or perhaps curator?
- klik99 3y ago
  It's semantics, but if you consider Jeff Koons to be an artist, then yes. AFAIK he has never (or at least when he was starting) used his own hands to fully create something, from the very beginning he hired people to do it for him. The "Desired Look" can be considered the "artistic" part of art, while the production can be considered the craft. Koons is the most extreme example I can think of, but there are plenty of others who got their start creating stuff themselves and then hired people to do the total of the work. Is a director an artist, when he doesn't write the script, touch the camera, edit the film, or act in the movie?
- artninja1988 3y ago
  Sure. Why not?
  - tguvot 3y ago
    and if i'll retain programmer to develop software, will after 50 sprints with my feedback i will be called programmer ?
    - dharmab 3y ago
      No, but you might be a software engineer. Some of the best I've worked with barely wrote code.
      - tguvot 3y ago
        what you just wrote is blasphemy on yc. consensus is that people that barely or do not write code not worthy of employment. (don't tell my boss) edit: not my opinion. just prevailing sentiment in yc discussions
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- althea_tx 3y ago
  Yes. You would be a creative director or art director.
  - tguvot 3y ago
    or product manager ? "move this button 2 pixels to the left and make it lighter shade of transparent"
    - klik99 3y ago
      Depends on the intention of what you're making - if it's something that exists for its own sake with commercial value as a secondary concern then you're an artist, if it's a product to spec and you're following the design/requirements from a client or a potential customer then you're a product manager.
- bee_rider 3y ago
  Informally we usually call the person involved in the art-making process an artist. In your example, there is another person in the loop who is making the art. I don’t think anyone is arguing to AI personhood yet, so it must be the user who is the artist. If we want to add extra conditions, that seems fine, but someone else will have to define them. If it were up to me… I’d probably end up being called a gatekeeper.
- Roark66 3y ago
  You do realise many very popular artists of the past including Rubens, Raphael and others had large studios where their "apprentices" actually made the paintings. Especially when these studios hot big, how much of each actual painting was physically made by "the artist" and how much was dobę by the apprentices? Perhaps just a sketch, perhaps not even that, but the head artist just made suggestions not unlike the promotes of today.
  - iteygib 3y ago
    They are all artists though regardless. They are actually doing the work and doing the actual painting and require painting skills. What they are painting it itself or where they got the idea from is irrelevant. They painted it, as in the physical work and talent to achieve the result. In the case of AI Art, there is no point in the process where you are participating in the creation of the actual initial image unless the actual source/model is based of your own artwork that you created. What you are really doing with AI art is generating a concept based on a request you make (the prompt), and then modifying the result with other tools until you get what you want (inpainting masks, animate it, etc.). The equivalent of this would be something of like a patron/commissioner and something like a sound engineer. You aren't creating the source material, but you can ask an AI art generator to create something based on your request, and then modify and tune it afterwards to your liking. It is more of like a producer/sound engineer/post-production role.
  - tguvot 3y ago
    i do. doesn't really answer my question.
    - Qwertious 3y ago
      If you have sufficient input on the work in question, then it's a collaboration between the two of you even if you never personally hold a chisel. So, yes. For a counterexample: suppose you're really good at sketching, and you go to the Louvre and copy out the Mona Lisa. Were you the sole artist of your sketch? Leonardo Da Vinci certainly wasn't drawing on your notebook.

Artist is still going to be the right word with these kinds of tools because you're still adjusting the result to get the desired look. Even if it were just collage it would still be art.

iteygib 3y ago

They didn't make the content, they just adjusted it based on samples from others who made the art by hand.

tguvot 3y ago

so, if i retain painter/sculptor/etc to perform a job, and go with him for multiple iteration to get a desired look, will I be artist as well ?

tomatotomato31 3y ago
Either yes or perhaps curator?
klik99 3y ago
It's semantics, but if you consider Jeff Koons to be an artist, then yes. AFAIK he has never (or at least when he was starting) used his own hands to fully create something, from the very beginning he hired people to do it for him. The "Desired Look" can be considered the "artistic" part of art, while the production can be considered the craft. Koons is the most extreme example I can think of, but there are plenty of others who got their start creating stuff themselves and then hired people to do the total of the work. Is a director an artist, when he doesn't write the script, touch the camera, edit the film, or act in the movie?
artninja1988 3y ago
Sure. Why not?
- tguvot 3y ago
  and if i'll retain programmer to develop software, will after 50 sprints with my feedback i will be called programmer ?
  - dharmab 3y ago
    No, but you might be a software engineer. Some of the best I've worked with barely wrote code.
    - tguvot 3y ago
      what you just wrote is blasphemy on yc. consensus is that people that barely or do not write code not worthy of employment. (don't tell my boss) edit: not my opinion. just prevailing sentiment in yc discussions
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althea_tx 3y ago
Yes. You would be a creative director or art director.
- tguvot 3y ago
  or product manager ? "move this button 2 pixels to the left and make it lighter shade of transparent"
  - klik99 3y ago
    Depends on the intention of what you're making - if it's something that exists for its own sake with commercial value as a secondary concern then you're an artist, if it's a product to spec and you're following the design/requirements from a client or a potential customer then you're a product manager.
bee_rider 3y ago
Informally we usually call the person involved in the art-making process an artist. In your example, there is another person in the loop who is making the art. I don’t think anyone is arguing to AI personhood yet, so it must be the user who is the artist. If we want to add extra conditions, that seems fine, but someone else will have to define them. If it were up to me… I’d probably end up being called a gatekeeper.
Roark66 3y ago
You do realise many very popular artists of the past including Rubens, Raphael and others had large studios where their "apprentices" actually made the paintings. Especially when these studios hot big, how much of each actual painting was physically made by "the artist" and how much was dobę by the apprentices? Perhaps just a sketch, perhaps not even that, but the head artist just made suggestions not unlike the promotes of today.
- iteygib 3y ago
  They are all artists though regardless. They are actually doing the work and doing the actual painting and require painting skills. What they are painting it itself or where they got the idea from is irrelevant. They painted it, as in the physical work and talent to achieve the result. In the case of AI Art, there is no point in the process where you are participating in the creation of the actual initial image unless the actual source/model is based of your own artwork that you created. What you are really doing with AI art is generating a concept based on a request you make (the prompt), and then modifying the result with other tools until you get what you want (inpainting masks, animate it, etc.). The equivalent of this would be something of like a patron/commissioner and something like a sound engineer. You aren't creating the source material, but you can ask an AI art generator to create something based on your request, and then modify and tune it afterwards to your liking. It is more of like a producer/sound engineer/post-production role.
- tguvot 3y ago
  i do. doesn't really answer my question.
  - Qwertious 3y ago
    If you have sufficient input on the work in question, then it's a collaboration between the two of you even if you never personally hold a chisel. So, yes. For a counterexample: suppose you're really good at sketching, and you go to the Louvre and copy out the Mona Lisa. Were you the sole artist of your sketch? Leonardo Da Vinci certainly wasn't drawing on your notebook.