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What!? No. You don’t get to decide who is colonizing whom. Palestinians have lived on this land for centuries. Yes they were colonized by muslims in the past, b

What!? No. You don’t get to decide who is colonizing whom. Palestinians have lived on this land for centuries. Yes they were colonized by muslims in the past, but not displaced. They stayed on their land and converted to Islam. Israelis are not native to this land. Sharing a religion with one of many religions Palestinians have held in the past does not make the land indigenous to anyone except the Palestinians them selves. Just like Roman Catholics are not indigenous to the Vatican, not even the Roman Catholic minority in Romania. European Jews have been a very real part of European history for dozens of generations. The history of European Jews is indeed a very rich history. They are a culture of their own, some even speak their own Germanic language (Yiddish). They are as European as me (an Icelander) and are indeed indigenous to Europe, not Palestine. The minority of European Jews who migrated to Palestine and later founded their own state on Palestinian lands did so by establishing a colony. This by definition makes them colonizers. “Who built the Temple Mount the Dome of the Rock is sitting on?” Palestinians did, back before they converted to Islam, back when majority of Palestinians were still Jewish, and probably called the land Judea. Likewise, the Jews built the Temple Mount, back when they lived in historic Palestine. European Jews can claim that their ancestors built the Temple Mount, and they wouldn’t be wrong. In fact they can be proud of their ancestors. However, claiming that European Jews built the Temple Mount, that would be wrong. This is no different than the question of “Who built the Pyramids?” Egyptians built the Pyramids. When the Egyptians built the Pyramids they practiced a different religion and spoke a different language. Since then they have been colonized multiple times over, by the Greeks, by the Romans, by the Byzantines, by the Umayyad Caliphate, by the Ottomans, by the French, by the British, etc. The Egyptians that built the Pyramids didn’t call them selves Egyptians and they probably didn’t call their land “Egypt”, It was still the Egyptians that built the Pyramids.

rayiner 3y ago
First, half the Jewish people in Israel are from the Middle East and Central Asia. Second, Europeans Jews aren’t converts, like European Christians. They’re the descendants of people displaced from Israel by, among others, Arab invaders. They’re returning to their own land.
- selimthegrim 3y ago
  Do you think Muslims can ever be considered indigenous to the Indian subcontinent? Can Christians? Should they all pack up and leave?
- dctoedt 3y ago
  > They’re returning to their own land. As a matter of academic interest, when would you say the statute of limitations runs out on the right of displaced peoples to reclaim their ancestral lands? If your answer is "it never runs out," then the descendants of the ancient Canaanites, Midianites, and Amalekites† would like a word .... † According to the Hebrew Bible, the ancient Israelites violently (and genocidally?) displaced these peoples; see, e.g., Num. 31, Josh. 10:40, 11:15. But it's not clearly established that this actually happened.

rayiner 3y ago

First, half the Jewish people in Israel are from the Middle East and Central Asia. Second, Europeans Jews aren’t converts, like European Christians. They’re the descendants of people displaced from Israel by, among others, Arab invaders. They’re returning to their own land.

selimthegrim 3y ago
Do you think Muslims can ever be considered indigenous to the Indian subcontinent? Can Christians? Should they all pack up and leave?
dctoedt 3y ago
> They’re returning to their own land. As a matter of academic interest, when would you say the statute of limitations runs out on the right of displaced peoples to reclaim their ancestral lands? If your answer is "it never runs out," then the descendants of the ancient Canaanites, Midianites, and Amalekites† would like a word .... † According to the Hebrew Bible, the ancient Israelites violently (and genocidally?) displaced these peoples; see, e.g., Num. 31, Josh. 10:40, 11:15. But it's not clearly established that this actually happened.