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The problem with “always wear a p100” is that they’re not comfortable in an unventilated uncooled house which is where a lot of construction happens. If everyon
by schneems 3y ago
The problem with “always wear a p100” is that they’re not comfortable in an unventilated uncooled house which is where a lot of construction happens. If everyone is wearing one you also need to take more breaks which eats into time to do the job.
The industry is set up so you only get paid for doing the job. If doing it unsafely means doing it faster or being more comfortable then a lot of small time contractors will take that short term gain despite the long term risks.
I don’t know how we incentivize doing the right thing more here.
- Doxin 3y agoFor comfort you'd probably want to get a positive air pressure mask. Those things are wildly underrated. Can even stick on a volatiles filter when relevant.
- namibj 3y agoYeah, those helmets that are basically face shields with optional hard hat and neck hood are generally speaking fairly comfortable: wide FOV, zero difficulty breathing, and an entire face shield (not just eye "shield") almost casually integrated. As long as you're working where you dare to go without full-on SCBA, a high-enough-tier variant of the e.g. 3M face shield helmets will suffice. Bonus points for being able to easily just run an external air hose feed into the helmet when working in environments that don't kill you if you dare to take the helmet off in an emergency.
- oooyay 3y agoThis is what I wear for carpentry/wood working. It's almost identical to the mask I wore in the military for CBRN just different filters and far lighter. Suggestion to look for masks that have larger outter and inner seals if you have glasses or low cut facial hair/stubble respectively as they'll continue to seal.
- Doxin 3y agoI believe 3M makes a mask that pretty much doesn't have a seal at all, instead relying on the positive air pressure to keep crap out. That has always seemed like the best solution comfort-wise to me. Anything that seals to the face will end up sweaty at the seals. Should work with basically any variety of lush woodworking beard too.
- wolverine876 3y ago> The problem with “always wear a p100” is that they’re not comfortable in an unventilated uncooled house which is where a lot of construction happens. If everyone is wearing one you also need to take more breaks which eats into time to do the job. Also, solutions that require people to consistently do uncomfortable things are not realistic; we know they will fail to comply - just like we would - and they will get sick.
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- ethbr1 3y agoAlso, they come up with post-hoc rationalizations that justify them not doing the uncomfortable thing.
- wolverine876 3y agoThe error they make is thinking that only "they" - other people - do these things.
- quickthrower2 3y agoThe same people probably work out at the gym ironically! But covid showed that people can wear masks alot.
- scythe 3y agoA paper Covid mask is nowhere near as uncomfortable as a p100!
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- wolverine876 3y agoLots of people refused and caused lots of deaths.
- Turskarama 3y agoYou make it illegal to do the wrong thing and have surprise audits. Losing your license is a pretty strong motivator to do it properly.
- xxs 3y agoHow do you do a surprise audit in a customers house?
- doingtheiroming 3y agoYou pass a law giving a class of inspector the right to enter premises where building works appear to be progressing. You strictly limit what they are permitted to observe and record and require recording of reasonable suspicion. Refusal to grant entry is itself an offence. Approaches like this would work but are also a huge can of worms.
- xxs 3y ago>You pass a law giving a class of inspector the right to enter premises In most countries (and I'd expect to include Australia), there cannot be a blanket invasion of privacy - and it'd require a court order. The amount of paper would would be ridiculous, then what if I do that on my own, or I used a cousin to do it for me, for free?
- doingtheiroming 3y agoLike I said, can of worms. There are no easy solutions.
- avar 3y agoThe customer would be made to sign a contract allowing random state inspection. > what if I do that on my own, or I used a cousin to do it for me, for free? You and your cousin could decide to go and mud wrestle crocodiles, but we'd still ban opening an amusement park where that was offered to members of the public.
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- kelnos 3y agoI mean, if we can't incentivize doing the right thing by teaching people that they'll die of a respiratory disease in their 30s if they don't wear their PPE, then honestly, that's life. If people choose to do their job in a way that gives them high risk of bad health outcomes, that's on them. Certainly if workers are being coerced into not doing the right thing, that's a problem, and employers need to be fined into oblivion if they pull that crap. If it's uncomfortable or takes longer to do it safely, that cost should be passed on to the person paying for the work.
- fourthark 3y agoYou implicitly lay responsibility on the worker first, then on the employer, then on the customer. Perhaps if the order of responsibility were reversed, it would lead to better outcomes.
- lotsofpulp 3y agoIt would be ridiculous to have any responsibility on the customer. The only feasible order is government, employer, then worker. The government is tasked with the making the rules and surprise inspections, and the rest follows from there.
- rob74 3y agoWell, the customer also has a lot of power. They can decide to hire a company (if available of course) that encourages/forces their workers to use PPE, even if it's a little more expensive (and maybe also takes longer) instead of just going for the lowest bidder...
- lotsofpulp 3y agoHow would a customer verify that? They are supposed to also monitor the worksite? And be knowledgeable about consistent work and the type of PPE it requires?
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