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A whole lot of the switch's design was about driving down costs as much as they could. That's why it has no mic, camera, and didn't get bluetooth headphone supp

A whole lot of the switch's design was about driving down costs as much as they could. That's why it has no mic, camera, and didn't get bluetooth headphone support for years after launch. Plus chipmakers really want those console contracts, even if they make a loss on the first few hundred thousand sold, they're assured sales as long as the console sticks around. AMD made out like bandits with the ps4/xbone.

m-p-3 3y ago
And they're likely making a killing with the Steam Deck.
- entropicdrifter 3y ago
  and soon will be with the PS5 and XBS(S/X) as well, if they aren't already
  - Grazester 3y ago
    Sony has broken even with the PS5 in 2021 so I wouldn't be too surprised if on the AMD end of things they are profitable.
Rapzid 3y ago
Bluetooth audio is kinda ass for gaming anyway unless you have low latency codec support on your source and consumer which is almost never the case. Sony has their own such codec which is why the audio jack on the PS controllers works so well..
- whynotminot 3y ago
  I actually use my AirPods with my Switch all the time, and latency isn’t really noticeable. I’m really glad they added the feature.
- mmis1000 3y ago
  I think its fine unless you are playing something like Taiko no Tatsujin. (And you don't really use hit sound when playing hardest level anyway, it's already too late when you hear it) Most games don't really need such immediate response.
  - Rapzid 3y ago
    The latency of non low-latency(LL) codecs is objectively poor though. Switch supports the SBC code: > SBC operates at a latency of between 170 and 270 milliseconds (yanked from the web so it may be a bit off) Stacked on top the typical input latency and you talking somewhere in the neighborhood of 1/4, 1/3, or even pushing 1/2 seconds latency from an input to hearing a sound that plays in response to the input. An individual might get used to it, or it might not bother them, but it's still there and measurably poor. Even for straight video, Amazon Firestick and other devices will add video latency to compensate. LHDC and aptX-LL on the other hand can hit 30ms of latency.
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astrange 3y ago
Hmm, don't see why leaving out Bluetooth headphone support would save on costs. They enabled it with a software patch so the hardware was always there.
- extraduder_ire 3y ago
  I've assumed the chipset was cheaper and they had to do less development/testing trying to get 8 controllers and a headset working at the same time. (it may support fewer controllers when a headset's connected)

m-p-3 3y ago

And they're likely making a killing with the Steam Deck.

entropicdrifter 3y ago
and soon will be with the PS5 and XBS(S/X) as well, if they aren't already
- Grazester 3y ago
  Sony has broken even with the PS5 in 2021 so I wouldn't be too surprised if on the AMD end of things they are profitable.

Rapzid 3y ago

Bluetooth audio is kinda ass for gaming anyway unless you have low latency codec support on your source and consumer which is almost never the case. Sony has their own such codec which is why the audio jack on the PS controllers works so well..

whynotminot 3y ago
I actually use my AirPods with my Switch all the time, and latency isn’t really noticeable. I’m really glad they added the feature.
mmis1000 3y ago
I think its fine unless you are playing something like Taiko no Tatsujin. (And you don't really use hit sound when playing hardest level anyway, it's already too late when you hear it) Most games don't really need such immediate response.
- Rapzid 3y ago
  The latency of non low-latency(LL) codecs is objectively poor though. Switch supports the SBC code: > SBC operates at a latency of between 170 and 270 milliseconds (yanked from the web so it may be a bit off) Stacked on top the typical input latency and you talking somewhere in the neighborhood of 1/4, 1/3, or even pushing 1/2 seconds latency from an input to hearing a sound that plays in response to the input. An individual might get used to it, or it might not bother them, but it's still there and measurably poor. Even for straight video, Amazon Firestick and other devices will add video latency to compensate. LHDC and aptX-LL on the other hand can hit 30ms of latency.

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astrange 3y ago

Hmm, don't see why leaving out Bluetooth headphone support would save on costs. They enabled it with a software patch so the hardware was always there.

extraduder_ire 3y ago
I've assumed the chipset was cheaper and they had to do less development/testing trying to get 8 controllers and a headset working at the same time. (it may support fewer controllers when a headset's connected)