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Meta's new face camera heralds a new age of surveillance

27 points by greenyoda 3y ago

genmud 3y ago
I always find it ironic when reporters talk about surveillance when they have about 100 ad trackers, shoveling keywords of the articles to advertisers so they can track and show specific ads to you.
lofaszvanitt 3y ago
Oh, this will unearth some very disturbing patterns with certain individuals... Also: I see the forums where stalkers and voyeurs post their daily "catch"... Just yesterday I saw a guy secretly filming a clothing store girl with his phone and the individual noticably wasn't happy about it. This could also put spectacle wearers in a corner, as they could be accused of voyeurism once people become aware of this invasion of privacy.
greenyoda 3y ago
https://archive.ph/WICED https://archive.ph/WICED
- neonate 3y ago
  https://web.archive.org/web/20231213154008/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/13/technology/personaltech/meta-ray-ban-glasses.html https://web.archive.org/web/20231213154008/https://www.nytim...
Handy-Man 3y ago
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doublerabbit 3y ago
I hate wearing glasses. And have to due to life. With posers who could now wear camera enabled glasses for social media and likes for some reason angers me. I've been made fun of, bullied, outcasted all my teenage life because of them. And now that it's becoming a thing kind of makes me feel like I want to punch those in the face for all the torment I've had.
- filoleg 3y ago
  > With posers who could now wear camera enabled glasses for social media and likes for some reason angers me. Posers? There are sunglass lense versions of those glasses available. Do you have any issue with people wearing non-prescription sunglasses? And people have been wearing decorative glasses with no prescription for quite a while. I cannot do it, despite liking the look of glasses (which I have no need for after getting lasik 6 years ago). However, I do wear sunglasses and have zero issues with doing so. Neither have I felt anything negative towards people who wear glasses for decorative purposes with no prescription, even back when I had to wear them for vision correction purposes for most of my life.
  - doublerabbit 3y ago
    Sun glasses are sun glasses, I have no problem with them, nor really non-perspection. If they wish to do so fine. But the difference is when social media gimmick advertising "glasses are cool" and those who struct around. Will never know what it has been like to be subjected to torment of being, insulted, rejected, emotionally and psychically abused. For those who have no choice not to wear glasses. Are they going to offer them in my prescription? Are they going to cost more because they're prescription? Its already hard enough playing VR when you have faulty vision. I've had to seek 3rd party lenses to allow myself to see. No VR company has ever catered for those with faulty vision. For them to come along "heres a pair of digital swanky glasses, who those who don't need to wear glasses" is a real kick in the teeth when I've had mine damaged, smashed or broken many times. I can't explain what I want to explain 100% but as I said prior for some reason it infuriates me. A luxury product for those who will never understand what it's like to wear glasses permanently.
    - filoleg 3y ago
      > Are they going to offer prescription glasses? For those Meta collab frames? They already do. Afaik every single frame sold by Ray-Ban is available as a prescription version. > Are they going to cost more because they're prescription? No idea, but I would assume yes, as sunglasses cost more for prescription lenses on the same frame virtually everywhere. And i don’t see why it would work any differently for clear non-prescription lenses as opposed to shaded/sunglass lenses. > No VR company has ever catered for those with faulty vision. Catered? Maybe no, but almost every new major VR headset announcement prominently features either their ergonomic adjustments/customizations that accommodate prescription glasses or they straight up just offer prescription lenses for VR headsets themselves. I am not sure what more one can even ask for here, aside from the ergonomic customizations to accommodate prescription glasses being more versatile or better. Major manufacturers have been improving upon it with each generation, as I still had to wear prescription glasses all the way through the OG oculus rift + HTC Vive era. Most of my friends who are into VR and who still wear prescription glasses have corroborated on their experiences with it as well. Oculus Quest 3 and Apple Vision Pro offer prescription lenses as well. While Vision Pro is still yet to be released, Apple provided plenty of details regarding their prescription lenses. And Oculus Quest 3 has been providing prescription lenses for the headset since the launch date.
throwaway743 3y ago
Agreed on the points made of privacy. A line that stuck out though, was the line about how it's redundant and does what our phones can already do. One of the goals of this seems to be just that, but with the intention of using the form factor/"invisible" interface as a means of blurring the lines and making it more seamless/invisible to the point that it "just exists" and we forget it's even there. I'm not a psych expert, but one could assume the many reasons for wanting this to happen with people who use this product
- SuperNinKenDo 3y ago
  What will probably actually happen, and of course, the article touches on this, is that we will have even fewer opportunities to feel like we aren't on stage.
  - throwaway743 3y ago
    That's a great point. Will likely also feed into the perception some have of living in a movie or "main character" syndrome
SuperNinKenDo 3y ago
Even when we repeatedly reject these technologies, tech companies just won't stop trying until we finally give in and the world is made a worse place permanently. I used to think I was truly blessed to live at this time, but I absolutely hate this moment in history, and having to live through it.
ChatGTP 3y ago
I won’t hangout with people wearing this shit.
bj-rn 3y ago
"To inform people that they are being photographed, the Ray-Ban Meta glasses include a tiny LED light embedded in the right frame to indicate when the device is recording. When a photo is snapped, it flashes momentarily. When a video is recording, it is continuously illuminated." "Albert Aydin, a Meta spokesman, said the company took privacy seriously and designed safety measures, including a tamper-detection technology, to prevent users from covering up the LED light with tape." How long until someone figures out how to circumvent that?
- wenebego 3y ago
  As soon as they can replace the light emitting diode with some other non light emitting diode, probably
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - BiggsHoson 3y ago
    Seems to me a dab of black paint would be sufficient.

27 points by greenyoda 3y ago

I always find it ironic when reporters talk about surveillance when they have about 100 ad trackers, shoveling keywords of the articles to advertisers so they can track and show specific ads to you.

lofaszvanitt 3y ago

Oh, this will unearth some very disturbing patterns with certain individuals... Also: I see the forums where stalkers and voyeurs post their daily "catch"... Just yesterday I saw a guy secretly filming a clothing store girl with his phone and the individual noticably wasn't happy about it. This could also put spectacle wearers in a corner, as they could be accused of voyeurism once people become aware of this invasion of privacy.

greenyoda 3y ago

https://archive.ph/WICED https://archive.ph/WICED

neonate 3y ago
https://web.archive.org/web/20231213154008/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/13/technology/personaltech/meta-ray-ban-glasses.html https://web.archive.org/web/20231213154008/https://www.nytim...

Handy-Man 3y ago

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doublerabbit 3y ago

I hate wearing glasses. And have to due to life. With posers who could now wear camera enabled glasses for social media and likes for some reason angers me. I've been made fun of, bullied, outcasted all my teenage life because of them. And now that it's becoming a thing kind of makes me feel like I want to punch those in the face for all the torment I've had.

filoleg 3y ago
> With posers who could now wear camera enabled glasses for social media and likes for some reason angers me. Posers? There are sunglass lense versions of those glasses available. Do you have any issue with people wearing non-prescription sunglasses? And people have been wearing decorative glasses with no prescription for quite a while. I cannot do it, despite liking the look of glasses (which I have no need for after getting lasik 6 years ago). However, I do wear sunglasses and have zero issues with doing so. Neither have I felt anything negative towards people who wear glasses for decorative purposes with no prescription, even back when I had to wear them for vision correction purposes for most of my life.
- doublerabbit 3y ago
  Sun glasses are sun glasses, I have no problem with them, nor really non-perspection. If they wish to do so fine. But the difference is when social media gimmick advertising "glasses are cool" and those who struct around. Will never know what it has been like to be subjected to torment of being, insulted, rejected, emotionally and psychically abused. For those who have no choice not to wear glasses. Are they going to offer them in my prescription? Are they going to cost more because they're prescription? Its already hard enough playing VR when you have faulty vision. I've had to seek 3rd party lenses to allow myself to see. No VR company has ever catered for those with faulty vision. For them to come along "heres a pair of digital swanky glasses, who those who don't need to wear glasses" is a real kick in the teeth when I've had mine damaged, smashed or broken many times. I can't explain what I want to explain 100% but as I said prior for some reason it infuriates me. A luxury product for those who will never understand what it's like to wear glasses permanently.
  - filoleg 3y ago
    > Are they going to offer prescription glasses? For those Meta collab frames? They already do. Afaik every single frame sold by Ray-Ban is available as a prescription version. > Are they going to cost more because they're prescription? No idea, but I would assume yes, as sunglasses cost more for prescription lenses on the same frame virtually everywhere. And i don’t see why it would work any differently for clear non-prescription lenses as opposed to shaded/sunglass lenses. > No VR company has ever catered for those with faulty vision. Catered? Maybe no, but almost every new major VR headset announcement prominently features either their ergonomic adjustments/customizations that accommodate prescription glasses or they straight up just offer prescription lenses for VR headsets themselves. I am not sure what more one can even ask for here, aside from the ergonomic customizations to accommodate prescription glasses being more versatile or better. Major manufacturers have been improving upon it with each generation, as I still had to wear prescription glasses all the way through the OG oculus rift + HTC Vive era. Most of my friends who are into VR and who still wear prescription glasses have corroborated on their experiences with it as well. Oculus Quest 3 and Apple Vision Pro offer prescription lenses as well. While Vision Pro is still yet to be released, Apple provided plenty of details regarding their prescription lenses. And Oculus Quest 3 has been providing prescription lenses for the headset since the launch date.

throwaway743 3y ago

Agreed on the points made of privacy. A line that stuck out though, was the line about how it's redundant and does what our phones can already do. One of the goals of this seems to be just that, but with the intention of using the form factor/"invisible" interface as a means of blurring the lines and making it more seamless/invisible to the point that it "just exists" and we forget it's even there. I'm not a psych expert, but one could assume the many reasons for wanting this to happen with people who use this product

SuperNinKenDo 3y ago
What will probably actually happen, and of course, the article touches on this, is that we will have even fewer opportunities to feel like we aren't on stage.
- throwaway743 3y ago
  That's a great point. Will likely also feed into the perception some have of living in a movie or "main character" syndrome

SuperNinKenDo 3y ago

Even when we repeatedly reject these technologies, tech companies just won't stop trying until we finally give in and the world is made a worse place permanently. I used to think I was truly blessed to live at this time, but I absolutely hate this moment in history, and having to live through it.

ChatGTP 3y ago

I won’t hangout with people wearing this shit.

bj-rn 3y ago

"To inform people that they are being photographed, the Ray-Ban Meta glasses include a tiny LED light embedded in the right frame to indicate when the device is recording. When a photo is snapped, it flashes momentarily. When a video is recording, it is continuously illuminated." "Albert Aydin, a Meta spokesman, said the company took privacy seriously and designed safety measures, including a tamper-detection technology, to prevent users from covering up the LED light with tape." How long until someone figures out how to circumvent that?

wenebego 3y ago
As soon as they can replace the light emitting diode with some other non light emitting diode, probably
- deleted 3y ago
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- BiggsHoson 3y ago
  Seems to me a dab of black paint would be sufficient.