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Not. As pointed out, opening and re-closing isn't uncommon, especially in winter. Stop defending nannyfying conditioning.

ceejayoz 3y ago
> As pointed out, opening and re-closing isn't uncommon, especially in winter. Where is this pointed out? Opening and closing the doors at highway speed is not common, winter or otherwise. I'm fine with "nannifying" cars when it gets these results. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_safety_in_the_United_States#/media/File:US_traffic_deaths_per_VMT,_VMT,_per_capita,_and_total_annual_deaths.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_safety_in_the_U...
- haswell 3y ago
  It’s an oversimplification to conclude that the drop in deaths is just from “nannyifying” cars. There have been major improvements to vehicle frames, roll safety, crumple zones, etc that all play a major role in that graph. And adding safety features to cars is one thing. Indiscriminately slamming on the brakes without context is another. A feature has to actually lead to safer outcomes. Braking hard when opening the door is highly questionable.
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    > There have been major improvements to vehicle frames, roll safety, crumple zones, etc that all play a major role in that graph. The people who decry the "nanny state" tend to oppose requirements for these, as well. You'll find plenty of people moaning about how they don't make cars like they used to, that bumpers require expensive replacement in low-speed impacts, that all this extra metal is expensive, etc. > Indiscriminately slamming on the brakes without context is another. I wouldn't call "when the driver door opens at speed" to be "indiscriminate". I don't doubt the sudden decceleration is a bit surprising (and it probably quickly trains you out of opening the door mid-drive), but if someone rear-ends you because of this that's clearly their fault for following too closely.
    - haswell 3y ago
      > The people who decry the "nanny state" tend to oppose requirements for these, as well. I’m sure you can find some people who find safer crumple zones unreasonable, but I don’t think most people fit into this category. Automatic braking is far less clear cut, and as someone who prefers cars with safe frames, I don’t yet trust the car to know when it’s the right time to brake (some collision avoidance features are getting way better). > I wouldn't call "when the driver door opens at speed" to be "indiscriminate". I would. The car doesn’t know why the door was opened at speed, or what the consequences of braking in that moment might be. The driver has a better chance of knowing these thing. Furthermore, if the driver isn’t prepared for this behavior, the car has now created a dangerous situation for the driver, regardless of who is at fault if it causes a rear-end collision. A collision that would not have happened if not for the automatic behavior. I have a friend who is allergic to bees. While driving one day (they were in the passenger seat), a bee made an appearance. It must have flown in through the sunroof at some point, and started flying around in a rather agitated fashion. When it landed on the edge of the driver door, I opened it slightly (at speed) and let the wind carry it away. I think this is the only time I’ve ever opened the door while driving, but the one thing I did not need at that moment was my car thinking it knew better than me. Until self driving tech has truly arrived, I’d argue this kind of automatic behavior is pretty indiscriminate. This is not the same as a collision avoidance sensor that knows the car is about to hit something. Maybe I’m wrong and most people who open the door while driving are trying to escape the car and would benefit from slower speed. I doubt it. And if this is the case, one wonders if braking would work anyway (why else is someone trying to exit the car while moving?).
sidlls 3y ago
Sorry, a person's right to be a complete moron (opening a door while a car is moving) doesn't trump everyone else's right to not be endangered by said moron.
- l33tman 3y ago
  There are a lot of reasons you might have to open and the close the door while driving, for example if your jacket or something got caught in the door and you don't realize it until you're on the road. Done that many times, it's not unsafe except if the car decides to auto-brake.
- AlgorithmicTime 3y ago
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- palemoonale 3y ago
  Sorry, you seem to be quite young and life-inexperienced.

ceejayoz 3y ago

> As pointed out, opening and re-closing isn't uncommon, especially in winter. Where is this pointed out? Opening and closing the doors at highway speed is not common, winter or otherwise. I'm fine with "nannifying" cars when it gets these results. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_safety_in_the_United_States#/media/File:US_traffic_deaths_per_VMT,_VMT,_per_capita,_and_total_annual_deaths.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_safety_in_the_U...

haswell 3y ago
It’s an oversimplification to conclude that the drop in deaths is just from “nannyifying” cars. There have been major improvements to vehicle frames, roll safety, crumple zones, etc that all play a major role in that graph. And adding safety features to cars is one thing. Indiscriminately slamming on the brakes without context is another. A feature has to actually lead to safer outcomes. Braking hard when opening the door is highly questionable.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  > There have been major improvements to vehicle frames, roll safety, crumple zones, etc that all play a major role in that graph. The people who decry the "nanny state" tend to oppose requirements for these, as well. You'll find plenty of people moaning about how they don't make cars like they used to, that bumpers require expensive replacement in low-speed impacts, that all this extra metal is expensive, etc. > Indiscriminately slamming on the brakes without context is another. I wouldn't call "when the driver door opens at speed" to be "indiscriminate". I don't doubt the sudden decceleration is a bit surprising (and it probably quickly trains you out of opening the door mid-drive), but if someone rear-ends you because of this that's clearly their fault for following too closely.
  - haswell 3y ago
    > The people who decry the "nanny state" tend to oppose requirements for these, as well. I’m sure you can find some people who find safer crumple zones unreasonable, but I don’t think most people fit into this category. Automatic braking is far less clear cut, and as someone who prefers cars with safe frames, I don’t yet trust the car to know when it’s the right time to brake (some collision avoidance features are getting way better). > I wouldn't call "when the driver door opens at speed" to be "indiscriminate". I would. The car doesn’t know why the door was opened at speed, or what the consequences of braking in that moment might be. The driver has a better chance of knowing these thing. Furthermore, if the driver isn’t prepared for this behavior, the car has now created a dangerous situation for the driver, regardless of who is at fault if it causes a rear-end collision. A collision that would not have happened if not for the automatic behavior. I have a friend who is allergic to bees. While driving one day (they were in the passenger seat), a bee made an appearance. It must have flown in through the sunroof at some point, and started flying around in a rather agitated fashion. When it landed on the edge of the driver door, I opened it slightly (at speed) and let the wind carry it away. I think this is the only time I’ve ever opened the door while driving, but the one thing I did not need at that moment was my car thinking it knew better than me. Until self driving tech has truly arrived, I’d argue this kind of automatic behavior is pretty indiscriminate. This is not the same as a collision avoidance sensor that knows the car is about to hit something. Maybe I’m wrong and most people who open the door while driving are trying to escape the car and would benefit from slower speed. I doubt it. And if this is the case, one wonders if braking would work anyway (why else is someone trying to exit the car while moving?).

sidlls 3y ago

Sorry, a person's right to be a complete moron (opening a door while a car is moving) doesn't trump everyone else's right to not be endangered by said moron.

l33tman 3y ago
There are a lot of reasons you might have to open and the close the door while driving, for example if your jacket or something got caught in the door and you don't realize it until you're on the road. Done that many times, it's not unsafe except if the car decides to auto-brake.
AlgorithmicTime 3y ago
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palemoonale 3y ago
Sorry, you seem to be quite young and life-inexperienced.