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This is only true if you start with "We have to use AI, let's find a problem". There are plenty of production-ready use cases such as retrieval augmented genera

This is only true if you start with "We have to use AI, let's find a problem". There are plenty of production-ready use cases such as retrieval augmented generation (RAG) and generative AI to assist with the creative writing or illustration process. There are also plenty of ways to spend way more money than necessary. Plenty of great open source solutions that have almost caught up as we end 2023.

Sai_ 3y ago
Don’t think the AI ELO ratings agree with you.
- mistercheph 3y ago
  You mean the ratings that show a language model you can run on consumer hardware today within 100 ELO points of Industry SOTA?
phpisthebest 3y ago
The path of creative AI has to be the most Ironic story of this whole technological tale. The AI Utopia that was imaged was a world of AI robots all doing our labor so everyone can sit around being "creative" and artist, no on would have to clean the streets, pickup trash, work in that factory etc... We would have a utopia where humans would just be free loving creatives all sitting around painting, writing their great novels, etc... The reality it, Humans will doing that manual labor for decades to come has AI replaces all creative jobs in a much quicker time...
- adql 3y ago
  Utopia like that requires people in power to work toward it, not their own bank account state. No tech is going to change that.
  - phpisthebest 3y ago
    Utopia is not possible in the first place, that is what I find amusing in this whole story... the number of people that believe it is. Self Interest is core to the human experience people deny that at their own peril, it is why I believe in capitalism and reject socialism, i understand that all persons at all times work in their self interest anyone that claims their are not is lying to themselves.
    - orange-mentor 3y ago
      Read Thomas Hobbes. Really read it and try to absorb it.
      - phpisthebest 3y ago
        I prefer Locke
- dmezzetti 3y ago
  That is indeed interesting. For years, there was talk of manufacturing, trade jobs and "hands-on" work going away. 4 year college degrees were the only answer. Interesting that it might be the opposite in the end. Lot of the upcoming automation is going to be on the soft skill side. Those with kids now need to reset how they think of trade jobs and hands on work. It should be an option that is considered and certainly not frowned upon.
  - kaashif 3y ago
    > Those with kids now need to reset how they think of trade jobs and hands on work. This is already true even in the absence of AI.
  - phpisthebest 3y ago
    #LearnToDig will be the new rally cry... The problem is we have spent at least 3 generations looking down on physical labor, first world societies are in for some bad times. For me it looks like those bad times will get really bad in about 20 years, right when I should on a beach enjoying retirement, instead who knows....
- pixl97 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec%27s_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec%27s_paradox The idea that higher intelligence has only been around 200,000 or so years and is far less refined than motor intelligence which has a good 500 million years of encoded information.
andy99 3y ago
> There are plenty of production-ready use cases Even if that's true, the big money is being spent in the belief that some bigger more valuable thing will be unlocked by future advances, not on better engineering well understood uses. The technology has some value but the behavior around it is still driven by bubble "it will be valuable later" behavior rather than current uses.
OJFord 3y ago
> This is only true if you start with "We have to use AI, let's find a problem". Sure. Don't say that like it's rare!
Ensorceled 3y ago
> This is only true if you start with "We have to use AI, let's find a problem". You've just described the crypto boom ... but at least AI has actual use cases and actually will solve problems.
- Shermanium 3y ago
  reminds me of the phrase "if your only tool is a hammer, every problem has to be a nail."
- chx 3y ago
  > but at least AI has actual use cases and actually will solve problems. Maybe some time in the future but the current generative "AI" can not (let me repeat: can not) solve anything. I am sitting here astonished watching the entire world lose their minds over a stochastic parrot. Did y'all not learn anything from the crypto bubble? Mostly it's the same hustlers, ChatGPT got rushed to the market the moment the crypto craze sort of ended with the collapse of FTX. Someone is making a lot of money here... but it ain't you.
  - RugnirViking 3y ago
    I use AI dozens if not hundreds of times a day as part of my job... It certainly "solves" a lot of stuff for me :)
  - kaashif 3y ago
    What? So many people are using AI to solve real problems right now. GitHub Copilot is a good example. It may just be a glorified autocomplete, but it's really good and sometimes predicts 20 line functions exactly as I'd have written them. Really good stochastic parrots are useful.
  - Ensorceled 3y ago
    > Maybe some time in the future but the current generative "AI" can not (let me repeat: can not) solve anything. I know for a fact that it is putting marketing copywriters out of jobs. I used ChatGPT 3 times yesterday to generate code snippets that I could have figured out myself but took a couple of prompts using ChatGPT. I've used ChatGPT dozens of times in my D&D campaign for things like "generate a bunch of random dwarves with names and occupations, don't use Tolkien names" People who say it "can not solve anything" are delusional.
laichzeit0 3y ago
Also software development. I would gladly keep on paying for copilot if it just does what it does right now. It makes writing code (the part I find least interesting in software development) just a tad bit less boring.
- RyanHamilton 3y ago
  What parts do you like?
sensanaty 3y ago
I can only speak for the company I work for, but that's more or less exactly the mindset the C-suite has about AI. The CTO nerds out on it so wants to work on it for the sake of saying he works with AI (nothing inherently wrong with that mind you, I can respect a genuine nerd moment like that), and the CEO sees our competitors pushing out AI solutions (aka calling OpenAI's APIs) and demands we "do this AI thing everyone else is doing". It's just a hypewave of people following eachother blindly without stopping to consider why we need an AI in the first place. We're not doing anything groundbreaking with it, in fact half the features we're shitting out with our AI experiments are things that have existed for a decade at this point, except we can now label it as an AI thing.

Sai_ 3y ago

Don’t think the AI ELO ratings agree with you.

mistercheph 3y ago
You mean the ratings that show a language model you can run on consumer hardware today within 100 ELO points of Industry SOTA?

phpisthebest 3y ago

The path of creative AI has to be the most Ironic story of this whole technological tale. The AI Utopia that was imaged was a world of AI robots all doing our labor so everyone can sit around being "creative" and artist, no on would have to clean the streets, pickup trash, work in that factory etc... We would have a utopia where humans would just be free loving creatives all sitting around painting, writing their great novels, etc... The reality it, Humans will doing that manual labor for decades to come has AI replaces all creative jobs in a much quicker time...

adql 3y ago
Utopia like that requires people in power to work toward it, not their own bank account state. No tech is going to change that.
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  Utopia is not possible in the first place, that is what I find amusing in this whole story... the number of people that believe it is. Self Interest is core to the human experience people deny that at their own peril, it is why I believe in capitalism and reject socialism, i understand that all persons at all times work in their self interest anyone that claims their are not is lying to themselves.
  - orange-mentor 3y ago
    Read Thomas Hobbes. Really read it and try to absorb it.
    - phpisthebest 3y ago
      I prefer Locke
dmezzetti 3y ago
That is indeed interesting. For years, there was talk of manufacturing, trade jobs and "hands-on" work going away. 4 year college degrees were the only answer. Interesting that it might be the opposite in the end. Lot of the upcoming automation is going to be on the soft skill side. Those with kids now need to reset how they think of trade jobs and hands on work. It should be an option that is considered and certainly not frowned upon.
- kaashif 3y ago
  > Those with kids now need to reset how they think of trade jobs and hands on work. This is already true even in the absence of AI.
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  #LearnToDig will be the new rally cry... The problem is we have spent at least 3 generations looking down on physical labor, first world societies are in for some bad times. For me it looks like those bad times will get really bad in about 20 years, right when I should on a beach enjoying retirement, instead who knows....
pixl97 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec%27s_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec%27s_paradox The idea that higher intelligence has only been around 200,000 or so years and is far less refined than motor intelligence which has a good 500 million years of encoded information.

andy99 3y ago

> There are plenty of production-ready use cases Even if that's true, the big money is being spent in the belief that some bigger more valuable thing will be unlocked by future advances, not on better engineering well understood uses. The technology has some value but the behavior around it is still driven by bubble "it will be valuable later" behavior rather than current uses.

OJFord 3y ago

> This is only true if you start with "We have to use AI, let's find a problem". Sure. Don't say that like it's rare!

Ensorceled 3y ago

> This is only true if you start with "We have to use AI, let's find a problem". You've just described the crypto boom ... but at least AI has actual use cases and actually will solve problems.

Shermanium 3y ago
reminds me of the phrase "if your only tool is a hammer, every problem has to be a nail."
chx 3y ago
> but at least AI has actual use cases and actually will solve problems. Maybe some time in the future but the current generative "AI" can not (let me repeat: can not) solve anything. I am sitting here astonished watching the entire world lose their minds over a stochastic parrot. Did y'all not learn anything from the crypto bubble? Mostly it's the same hustlers, ChatGPT got rushed to the market the moment the crypto craze sort of ended with the collapse of FTX. Someone is making a lot of money here... but it ain't you.
- RugnirViking 3y ago
  I use AI dozens if not hundreds of times a day as part of my job... It certainly "solves" a lot of stuff for me :)
- kaashif 3y ago
  What? So many people are using AI to solve real problems right now. GitHub Copilot is a good example. It may just be a glorified autocomplete, but it's really good and sometimes predicts 20 line functions exactly as I'd have written them. Really good stochastic parrots are useful.
- Ensorceled 3y ago
  > Maybe some time in the future but the current generative "AI" can not (let me repeat: can not) solve anything. I know for a fact that it is putting marketing copywriters out of jobs. I used ChatGPT 3 times yesterday to generate code snippets that I could have figured out myself but took a couple of prompts using ChatGPT. I've used ChatGPT dozens of times in my D&D campaign for things like "generate a bunch of random dwarves with names and occupations, don't use Tolkien names" People who say it "can not solve anything" are delusional.

laichzeit0 3y ago

Also software development. I would gladly keep on paying for copilot if it just does what it does right now. It makes writing code (the part I find least interesting in software development) just a tad bit less boring.

RyanHamilton 3y ago
What parts do you like?

sensanaty 3y ago

I can only speak for the company I work for, but that's more or less exactly the mindset the C-suite has about AI. The CTO nerds out on it so wants to work on it for the sake of saying he works with AI (nothing inherently wrong with that mind you, I can respect a genuine nerd moment like that), and the CEO sees our competitors pushing out AI solutions (aka calling OpenAI's APIs) and demands we "do this AI thing everyone else is doing". It's just a hypewave of people following eachother blindly without stopping to consider why we need an AI in the first place. We're not doing anything groundbreaking with it, in fact half the features we're shitting out with our AI experiments are things that have existed for a decade at this point, except we can now label it as an AI thing.