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On the other hand, a couple of days ago I set the parking brake and absentmindedly walked out of a car with the automatic transmission still in reverse ... fort

On the other hand, a couple of days ago I set the parking brake and absentmindedly walked out of a car with the automatic transmission still in reverse ... fortunately the brake held, I was behind the car going "huh, funny, the reverse lights are on ... oh, **!"

freedomben 3y ago
Yeah agreed, I'm not against all safety features. That one seems like a pretty straight forward safety solution though. If an auto transmission is still in gear, the parking break is on, and the key fob has left the vehicle, I think an attention-getting noise is appropriate in that case.
- grepfru_it 3y ago
  Both my 2013 and 2014 cars will loudly announce the car is still in gear if you open the door at any speed, including stopped.
  - kccqzy 3y ago
    My car automatically shifts to Park when the driver side door is opened if it is stopped. It does this even if it is in Neutral. The car wash person was very unhappy about it, until I offered to sit inside to make sure it stays in Neutral
- B1FF_PSUVM 3y ago
  I was going for the Darwin with a 2007 model, still uses ignition key, fob is only for remote locks. But yeah, I've been spoiled by modern fobs you don't even take out of your pocket. I really like those, that's the kind of convenience that makes you sign up for robot overlords ...
  - jjav 3y ago
    > I really like those, that's the kind of convenience that makes you sign up for robot overlords These can be super annoying. My partner has a car which just spontaneously unlocks whenever the key approaches. Which is ridiculous since often I'm just walking to the mailbox or out to a different car and have zero desire to unlock that particular car. It just assumes, without understanding what I'm actually doing. Which is the fundamental UX problem with all these misfeatures.
    - B1FF_PSUVM 3y ago
      All I have met so far is the kind you push a door button to open, or close. They even have carjacking prevention features, to keep unwanted riders out - only the driver door opens unless you start by opening another door or double-tap the driver's.

freedomben 3y ago

Yeah agreed, I'm not against all safety features. That one seems like a pretty straight forward safety solution though. If an auto transmission is still in gear, the parking break is on, and the key fob has left the vehicle, I think an attention-getting noise is appropriate in that case.

grepfru_it 3y ago
Both my 2013 and 2014 cars will loudly announce the car is still in gear if you open the door at any speed, including stopped.
- kccqzy 3y ago
  My car automatically shifts to Park when the driver side door is opened if it is stopped. It does this even if it is in Neutral. The car wash person was very unhappy about it, until I offered to sit inside to make sure it stays in Neutral
B1FF_PSUVM 3y ago
I was going for the Darwin with a 2007 model, still uses ignition key, fob is only for remote locks. But yeah, I've been spoiled by modern fobs you don't even take out of your pocket. I really like those, that's the kind of convenience that makes you sign up for robot overlords ...
- jjav 3y ago
  > I really like those, that's the kind of convenience that makes you sign up for robot overlords These can be super annoying. My partner has a car which just spontaneously unlocks whenever the key approaches. Which is ridiculous since often I'm just walking to the mailbox or out to a different car and have zero desire to unlock that particular car. It just assumes, without understanding what I'm actually doing. Which is the fundamental UX problem with all these misfeatures.
  - B1FF_PSUVM 3y ago
    All I have met so far is the kind you push a door button to open, or close. They even have carjacking prevention features, to keep unwanted riders out - only the driver door opens unless you start by opening another door or double-tap the driver's.