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> which I can only think of as part of a war of attrition against Max Schrems I think they're desperate to find something that works. But the problem is, US la

> which I can only think of as part of a war of attrition against Max Schrems I think they're desperate to find something that works. But the problem is, US law is not compatible and the EU is refusing to admit that.

jeroenhd 3y ago
Indeed. The USA has the freedom not to be compatible with EU law and decided to prefer the ability to deny European citizens appropriate data protection over letting American companies hold EU citizens' data. I'm not sure what drives the EU to form such meaningless pacts every couple of years. I'm guessing a combination of lobbyists and sucking up to the American government are the driving force behind these deals. It's rather sad, really.
- that_guy_iain 3y ago
  I think it's because how many of the major tech products come from the US. If they started to actively enforce the violations every time it becomes official it's a violation nearly every company in Europe would be affected. Salesforce, Hubspot, Google Apps, Office 365, etc. all leading to violations would be a major thing, it would give some European tech companies a massive boost and probably improve European tech scene but it would be a major issue for a while.
  - jeroenhd 3y ago
    There's plenty of European tech, but European tech companies either suck at marketing, suffer from outdated business practices, or get bought out by American companies when they start growing. Any data center can start competing with at least the important parts of Amazon/Google/Microsoft if they collect the right open source tools and invest in making them easily accessible, but very few seem to want to take any risks. They'd rather have customers stick to their own custom APIs and web dashboards than implement any kind of common standard. I want the European tech industry to be better, but if that's done through fining American companies into impracticality we'll only end up stuck with the annoying practices that have caused American companies to be so popular in the first place.
    - that_guy_iain 3y ago
      > There's plenty of European tech, but European tech companies either suck at marketing, suffer from outdated business practices, or get bought out by American companies when they start growing. I would say the issue is mostly on the funding side of things. US companies get more funding so can splash the cash when marketing and can hire larger teams to build faster.

jeroenhd 3y ago

Indeed. The USA has the freedom not to be compatible with EU law and decided to prefer the ability to deny European citizens appropriate data protection over letting American companies hold EU citizens' data. I'm not sure what drives the EU to form such meaningless pacts every couple of years. I'm guessing a combination of lobbyists and sucking up to the American government are the driving force behind these deals. It's rather sad, really.

that_guy_iain 3y ago
I think it's because how many of the major tech products come from the US. If they started to actively enforce the violations every time it becomes official it's a violation nearly every company in Europe would be affected. Salesforce, Hubspot, Google Apps, Office 365, etc. all leading to violations would be a major thing, it would give some European tech companies a massive boost and probably improve European tech scene but it would be a major issue for a while.
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  There's plenty of European tech, but European tech companies either suck at marketing, suffer from outdated business practices, or get bought out by American companies when they start growing. Any data center can start competing with at least the important parts of Amazon/Google/Microsoft if they collect the right open source tools and invest in making them easily accessible, but very few seem to want to take any risks. They'd rather have customers stick to their own custom APIs and web dashboards than implement any kind of common standard. I want the European tech industry to be better, but if that's done through fining American companies into impracticality we'll only end up stuck with the annoying practices that have caused American companies to be so popular in the first place.
  - that_guy_iain 3y ago
    > There's plenty of European tech, but European tech companies either suck at marketing, suffer from outdated business practices, or get bought out by American companies when they start growing. I would say the issue is mostly on the funding side of things. US companies get more funding so can splash the cash when marketing and can hire larger teams to build faster.