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Shouldn't there be a middle ground between the two ? "501 programmers" or "I eat breathe and live programming" People that usually go at home around 5:15 but s

by Kesty 14y ago

Shouldn't there be a middle ground between the two ? "501 programmers" or "I eat breathe and live programming" People that usually go at home around 5:15 but some times are there longer because they want to finish something they are doing. Or sometimes they go out at 4:58 because they have a non programmimng related date. People that when are not at their job want to go out with their friends, watch tv, be with their family and not think about programming or see a computer for a full night, even a full week-end, but have spent more than once a full week-end experimenting with that new SDK. People that love programming but want to take a break every now and then. People that like to go out at their local bar and have a drink with their (non tech/geek) friends and watch a sport match. Only to meet another tech/geek guy they didn't know and end up talking about how they both hate that programming language all night. Yes, I'll call this the 515 Manifesto.

cpfohl 14y ago
Well put! I didn't see this before I posted mine.
astine 14y ago
Exactly. I happen to like ice cream, but if I ate nothing but ice cream everyday, I'd grow sick of it pretty quickly. I like to program and even do it in my free time. I'll even work longer hours if the problems at work are interesting enough. Still, I have other interests, friends who aren't programmers, family, and if I wasn't able to pursue those things because I was too caught up at work, I'd grow to resent my work, whatever it was. The programming I do at work I enjoy, but it's also my job so I leave when the working day is done, or a little later if I'm caught up in something particularly interesting or urgent. Then I go home, and maybe I'll work on projects of my own, or I'll do something else that interests me. It's not about being only into programming because it's a job and it pays well (I've been doing it since I was nine) and it's not about looking down on people who spend their lives doing nothing but. It's also not about not being one of those people who do nothing but and looking down on those who don't. It's about programming, enjoying enjoying what I do, but still having a life outside of work. 515 all the way.
stiletto 14y ago
There are multiple principles being mistaken for one another or improperly being combined into one. There's PASSION and BALANCE. One camp seems to disparage another for their lack of balance, while the other responds that the first lacks passion. They're not talking about the same thing! We can have both. We shouldn't spend all day in a job that leaves us uninspired, but neither should we let passion (or any driving force) make us sacrifice our physical health or essential relationships. We SHOULD have both.

by Kesty 14y ago

cpfohl 14y ago

Well put! I didn't see this before I posted mine.

astine 14y ago

Exactly. I happen to like ice cream, but if I ate nothing but ice cream everyday, I'd grow sick of it pretty quickly. I like to program and even do it in my free time. I'll even work longer hours if the problems at work are interesting enough. Still, I have other interests, friends who aren't programmers, family, and if I wasn't able to pursue those things because I was too caught up at work, I'd grow to resent my work, whatever it was. The programming I do at work I enjoy, but it's also my job so I leave when the working day is done, or a little later if I'm caught up in something particularly interesting or urgent. Then I go home, and maybe I'll work on projects of my own, or I'll do something else that interests me. It's not about being only into programming because it's a job and it pays well (I've been doing it since I was nine) and it's not about looking down on people who spend their lives doing nothing but. It's also not about not being one of those people who do nothing but and looking down on those who don't. It's about programming, enjoying enjoying what I do, but still having a life outside of work. 515 all the way.

stiletto 14y ago

There are multiple principles being mistaken for one another or improperly being combined into one. There's PASSION and BALANCE. One camp seems to disparage another for their lack of balance, while the other responds that the first lacks passion. They're not talking about the same thing! We can have both. We shouldn't spend all day in a job that leaves us uninspired, but neither should we let passion (or any driving force) make us sacrifice our physical health or essential relationships. We SHOULD have both.