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OK what do they meant ? How would Brooklyn Nine-Nine change in any shape or form when Andre Braugher is dead considering its cancelled ? It wont.

QuesnayJr 3y ago
The scene "Wuntch is dead! Bagel!" seems less funny today than it did yesterday.
pohl 3y ago
Part of an observer’s perception of a cultural artifact comes from the observer’s knowledge and experiences, which can include knowledge about the people who made the artifact. It can change over time as the observer changes. Learning of a performer’s death can be such a change.
- subtra3t 3y ago
  I would not think that Brooklyn 99 qualifies as a "cultural artifact". But I think I get what you mean. I think that what GP (and you) were referring to was the act of watching the show, which would remind the watcher of Andre Braugher's death.
  - arp242 3y ago
    > I would not think that Brooklyn 99 qualifies as a "cultural artifact". Why wouldn't it be?
    - subtra3t 3y ago
      For it to be considered as such I think that it would need to be easily recognised by a relatively large portion of the world compared to other shows. Anecdotal but I have only 1 friend who watched B99, but almost all of my friends would be able to recognise actors/scenes from Breaking Bad even if they haven't watched the show itself. Breaking Bad is referenced a lot in pop culture, much more so than B99 (an example I can think of would be the rehashing of the sentence "This is the moment when [Walter White] became [Heisenberg]"). The same can be said of The Office. People have been exposed to it enough that they can recognize a scene from it based on the production style even if they have never watched the show. I do not think Brooklynn 99 is at that stage yet. Perhaps it will reach it in the future. This has nothing to do with the merits of B99 though. I personally think it is a great show. It has good characters, fantastic actors, decent writing and an alright overarching plot. But I would not call it a cultural artifact (yet).
      - arp242 3y ago
        Yeah, that's not how culture works, or ever worked. You don't need to be omni-dominant in a "large portion of the world". Most works of culture are seen, read, or heard by a relatively small part of the world, and they all contribute strands to a larger tapestry. Some strands are wider ("most influential") and/or longer ("remembered longer") than others, but every strand is part of culture. If you were to pick up a guitar and started singing at the local pub then that's culture too. No, it's not the reach of the Rolling Stones or whatnot, but that doesn't mean it's not culture.
        subtra3t 3y ago
        So by your definition is this comment thread itself a cultural artifact. Your definition of the phrase cultural artifact is lenient enough to allow for that. After all, this thread was seen by a relatively small part of the world and it contributes to the "larger tapestry" (ie the hacker news post).
        FartyMcFarter 3y ago
        Well, yes.
        pohl 3y ago
        By George I think you’ve got it.
  - pohl 3y ago
    I wouldn’t think it’s worth elevating the phrase “cultural artifact” just to put it out of reach for TV shows, but whatever.

QuesnayJr 3y ago

The scene "Wuntch is dead! Bagel!" seems less funny today than it did yesterday.

pohl 3y ago

Part of an observer’s perception of a cultural artifact comes from the observer’s knowledge and experiences, which can include knowledge about the people who made the artifact. It can change over time as the observer changes. Learning of a performer’s death can be such a change.

subtra3t 3y ago
I would not think that Brooklyn 99 qualifies as a "cultural artifact". But I think I get what you mean. I think that what GP (and you) were referring to was the act of watching the show, which would remind the watcher of Andre Braugher's death.
- arp242 3y ago
  > I would not think that Brooklyn 99 qualifies as a "cultural artifact". Why wouldn't it be?
  - subtra3t 3y ago
    For it to be considered as such I think that it would need to be easily recognised by a relatively large portion of the world compared to other shows. Anecdotal but I have only 1 friend who watched B99, but almost all of my friends would be able to recognise actors/scenes from Breaking Bad even if they haven't watched the show itself. Breaking Bad is referenced a lot in pop culture, much more so than B99 (an example I can think of would be the rehashing of the sentence "This is the moment when [Walter White] became [Heisenberg]"). The same can be said of The Office. People have been exposed to it enough that they can recognize a scene from it based on the production style even if they have never watched the show. I do not think Brooklynn 99 is at that stage yet. Perhaps it will reach it in the future. This has nothing to do with the merits of B99 though. I personally think it is a great show. It has good characters, fantastic actors, decent writing and an alright overarching plot. But I would not call it a cultural artifact (yet).
    - arp242 3y ago
      Yeah, that's not how culture works, or ever worked. You don't need to be omni-dominant in a "large portion of the world". Most works of culture are seen, read, or heard by a relatively small part of the world, and they all contribute strands to a larger tapestry. Some strands are wider ("most influential") and/or longer ("remembered longer") than others, but every strand is part of culture. If you were to pick up a guitar and started singing at the local pub then that's culture too. No, it's not the reach of the Rolling Stones or whatnot, but that doesn't mean it's not culture.
      - subtra3t 3y ago
        So by your definition is this comment thread itself a cultural artifact. Your definition of the phrase cultural artifact is lenient enough to allow for that. After all, this thread was seen by a relatively small part of the world and it contributes to the "larger tapestry" (ie the hacker news post).
        FartyMcFarter 3y ago
        Well, yes.
        pohl 3y ago
        By George I think you’ve got it.
- pohl 3y ago
  I wouldn’t think it’s worth elevating the phrase “cultural artifact” just to put it out of reach for TV shows, but whatever.