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Funniest thing is he said at one point that it is 12 months away, including automatic charging? Does such a thing work anywhere or is even attempted? I haven't
by bergen 3y ago
Funniest thing is he said at one point that it is 12 months away, including automatic charging? Does such a thing work anywhere or is even attempted? I haven't seen a car that does not need a physical plug and someone getting out to do it.
- eurekin 3y agoDidn't even read anything... but hasn't FSD been 12 months away for ~ 5 years already?
- masklinn 3y agoBack in 2014, it was “90% of your miles on auto” by the next year. In 2015 it was “a month away” from highways and simple roads, and 3 years away from full autonomy. In 2016 it was fully autonomous end-to-end cross-country (LA to Times Square) trip “by the end of the year”
- sf_rob 3y agoThey had a marketing demo of a robotic charger a few years ago, but nothing came of it. They also had the demo of full battery swaps before that, but they'd have to change their entire architecture for that to work.
- hef19898 3y agoDo people in spandex auits, I mwan Tesla Humanoid Robots, count as automatic?
- extraduder_ire 3y agoI know this is a joke, but I'd not be surprised if they settled for pinging another person at the charging station and asking them to plug/unplug the car. Either because hype makes them want to be nice, or if they get some $FINANCIAL_VALUE for doing it.
- extraduder_ire 3y agoIIRC, they did deploy that battery swap thing to some charger locations (hearsay, didn't confirm) and charged as much per swap as gassing up an SUV, plus you had to return later to get your battery back. They gave up because nobody wanted to do that. A bunch of these claims are understandable with the tech and hype available at the time they were said, but there wasn't enough committent to follow-through. Not that it would have helped much.
- gizmo 3y agoThe battery swap demo was essentially a subsidy scam: > In 2013, California revised its Zero Emissions Vehicle credit system so that long-range ZEVs that were able to charge 80% in under 15 minutes earned almost twice as many credits as those that didn’t. Overnight, Tesla’s 85 kWh Model S went from earning four credits per vehicle to seven. Moreover, to earn this dramatic increase in credits, Tesla needed to prove to CARB that such rapid refueling events were possible. By demonstrating battery swap on just one vehicle, Tesla nearly doubled the ZEV credits earned by its entire fleet even if none of them actually used the swap capability. From Ludicrous, Edward Niedermeyer
- ChatGTP 3y agoHe does this constantly, I saw him making wild claims about neural link yesterday. I guess he is just playing the statistics game.
- hnbad 3y agoI see three options: * he's lying, i.e. he's knowingly deceiving his audience to create hype and raise the stock price which he financially benefits from * he's bullshitting, i.e. he's embellishing what he knows is in development with the hopes that engineering will overdeliver and meet his promises or something similarly impressive to distract from the failed expectations * he's truthful, i.e. he's genuinely and continuously overestimating what engineering can realistically deliver and keeps being wrong over the span of a decade I'm not sure which scenario is most flattering. Keep in mind that a lot of his claims seem to be unplanned and he doesn't believe in PR departments so most of his statements seem to be his personal judgement based on what has been reported to him. I'm inclined to believe he doesn't care much about the truth value of his claims as long as they feel like the right thing to say to him ("hashtag no filter" as the kids used to say).
- AlexandrB 3y agoI think the "he's truthful" case is the most damning because it calls his expertise in any of these fields into question. Looks an awful lot like Dunning Kruger.
- mensetmanusman 3y agoHe has said he is overly optimistic and believes he is truthful, and that if he didn't none of these companies would exist. Outlier leaders are usually outliers in mindset.
- ChatGTP 3y agoBut when I am optimistic but I rarely am outwardly optimistic because I know it’s lying if I am. I think he knows that when he lies, many people take him seriously because his companies are sometimes right. Which pumps his valuation.
- rightbyte 3y agoThere are roof charging rails with automatic connections as wells as rails under the vehicle in actual use. But no cord variant ...
- robin_reala 3y agoNio have apparently 40k+ battery change stations in China, and a few more globally. Tom Scott did a video on it recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNZy603as5w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNZy603as5w
- clouddrover 3y agoEfficient wireless EV charging, no cables or plugs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE1gaNO9nj0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE1gaNO9nj0
- AlexandrB 3y agoThis video really stretches credulity. Having the wireless be more efficient than wired points to either bullshit or a methodological error somewhere.
- clouddrover 3y agoNo. It just means wireless charging can be efficient and you can also have inefficient wired chargers.
- rolivercoffee 3y agoSimone Giertz beat them to it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O4bXocMj0A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O4bXocMj0A
- SuchAnonMuchWow 3y agoSimone Giertz is usually years in advanced compared to Tesla. See Truckla vs. Cybertuck: years of advance, and a much more attractive car.
- mrguyorama 3y agoI don't think Americans would buy Utes though, as they aren't as effective at murdering whatever pedestrian dared cross your path.
- cesarb 3y ago> I haven't seen a car that does not need a physical plug and someone getting out to do it. AFAIK, the Formula E safety car charges without a physical plug or someone getting out to do it (which is important for safety because it has to be able to leave its charging station quickly, without the extra delay of someone getting out to unplug it); it uses a wireless charging pad on the ground.