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If you take this man on face value, this would be the most terrifying situation to be in. You end up on the wrong side of a border control, without any idea how

If you take this man on face value, this would be the most terrifying situation to be in. You end up on the wrong side of a border control, without any idea how you ended up there, sleep deprived and hungry. Not that you should take this man on face value.

rand1239 3y ago
> this would be the most terrifying situation to be in Are you sure? How about a few seconds before you die? I would take being in US illegally over non existence any day.
- jd116 3y ago
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farmdve 3y ago
And also he's going to jail instead of being deported to where he came from. I have to say the American justice system terrifies me.
- goodcanadian 3y ago
  He will very likely be deported if he has committed no other crime, but first, they have to figure out where to send him.
  - fvdessen 3y ago
    Fun story: A colleague had to fly to the USA for work, but when he arrived they noticed some mistake in the paperwork. They couldn't send him back because an Icelandic volcano had erupted, so they gave him orange overalls and chains and put him in jail for a while
    - tdy_err 3y ago
      Proof pls
    - kzrdude 3y ago
      "fun?" Some have love stories from extra stays together or long roadtrip travel stories from the weeks of no flights, and some got an orange jumpsuit.
- dannyw 3y ago
  It depends on how you act. Most crimes require intent. Going straight to border control, saying “I have no recollection of how I got here. I don’t have a passport” probably wouldn’t have gotten you charged.
  - RetroTechie 3y ago
    That's basically what happened, and still the dude found himself charged with a crime. So farmdve's comment is spot on.
crooked-v 3y ago
Between the noted erratic behavior on the plane, his self-reported sleep deprivation, and him effectively turning himself in after, it seems very plausible to me that he was either on a bad drug trip or under the control of the Ambien walrus [1], and somehow the Swiss cheese holes [2] lined up perfectly for him to wander onto the jet bridge of the wrong international flight at the exact moment nobody there was paying attention. [1]: https://www.healthline.com/health/side-effects-of-taking-ambien#3 https://www.healthline.com/health/side-effects-of-taking-amb... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model
colechristensen 3y ago
>He said he “might have had” a plane ticket to the United States, but was not sure, according to the affidavit. Mr. Ochigava also said he “did not remember how he got on the plane” and “would not explain how or when he got to Copenhagen, or what he was doing there,” the affidavit says. He also “claimed he did not remember how he went through security without a ticket,” it says. He is either lying or suffering quite a substantial mental health issue. One would presume it wouldn't be too much trouble for investigators to get some more information about the circumstances of this man's arrival.
- crooked-v 3y ago
  My guess would be that he's telling the truth about not knowing what happened or how he got through security, but implicitly lying about the (legal or illegal) drugs that put him in an impaired state throughout.
  - ivan_gammel 3y ago
    He was convicted for selling drugs in the past, but he had mental health problems since 24.02.2022. The fact that his Russian travel passport was missing probably points to a different explanation: he used it to pass security and he may have had a ticket for another flight, but he lost it after security. Extra stress did not help his mental state, so he eventually managed to board some random flight and landed in USA. Edit: his conviction was for possession, not for selling drugs.

rand1239 3y ago

> this would be the most terrifying situation to be in Are you sure? How about a few seconds before you die? I would take being in US illegally over non existence any day.

jd116 3y ago
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farmdve 3y ago

And also he's going to jail instead of being deported to where he came from. I have to say the American justice system terrifies me.

goodcanadian 3y ago
He will very likely be deported if he has committed no other crime, but first, they have to figure out where to send him.
- fvdessen 3y ago
  Fun story: A colleague had to fly to the USA for work, but when he arrived they noticed some mistake in the paperwork. They couldn't send him back because an Icelandic volcano had erupted, so they gave him orange overalls and chains and put him in jail for a while
  - tdy_err 3y ago
    Proof pls
  - kzrdude 3y ago
    "fun?" Some have love stories from extra stays together or long roadtrip travel stories from the weeks of no flights, and some got an orange jumpsuit.
dannyw 3y ago
It depends on how you act. Most crimes require intent. Going straight to border control, saying “I have no recollection of how I got here. I don’t have a passport” probably wouldn’t have gotten you charged.
- RetroTechie 3y ago
  That's basically what happened, and still the dude found himself charged with a crime. So farmdve's comment is spot on.

crooked-v 3y ago

Between the noted erratic behavior on the plane, his self-reported sleep deprivation, and him effectively turning himself in after, it seems very plausible to me that he was either on a bad drug trip or under the control of the Ambien walrus [1], and somehow the Swiss cheese holes [2] lined up perfectly for him to wander onto the jet bridge of the wrong international flight at the exact moment nobody there was paying attention. [1]: https://www.healthline.com/health/side-effects-of-taking-ambien#3 https://www.healthline.com/health/side-effects-of-taking-amb... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model

colechristensen 3y ago

>He said he “might have had” a plane ticket to the United States, but was not sure, according to the affidavit. Mr. Ochigava also said he “did not remember how he got on the plane” and “would not explain how or when he got to Copenhagen, or what he was doing there,” the affidavit says. He also “claimed he did not remember how he went through security without a ticket,” it says. He is either lying or suffering quite a substantial mental health issue. One would presume it wouldn't be too much trouble for investigators to get some more information about the circumstances of this man's arrival.

crooked-v 3y ago
My guess would be that he's telling the truth about not knowing what happened or how he got through security, but implicitly lying about the (legal or illegal) drugs that put him in an impaired state throughout.
- ivan_gammel 3y ago
  He was convicted for selling drugs in the past, but he had mental health problems since 24.02.2022. The fact that his Russian travel passport was missing probably points to a different explanation: he used it to pass security and he may have had a ticket for another flight, but he lost it after security. Extra stress did not help his mental state, so he eventually managed to board some random flight and landed in USA. Edit: his conviction was for possession, not for selling drugs.