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And I don't like the idea of a pen or a notebook company giving themselves editorial power over what people write in those notebook, which is basically what hap

And I don't like the idea of a pen or a notebook company giving themselves editorial power over what people write in those notebook, which is basically what happens now. I'm disgusted at how we transform such fantastic things as personal computer and turn them into such limited object.

jimjimjim 3y ago
The general public arrived and their wants transformed computers. And now they have left computers for their phones. You can still do all the things you used to be able to do on your computer.
karlshea 3y ago
Anyone can set up a blog and write whatever craziness they’d like just like you can with a pen or notebook. But no one is entitled to unlimited reach, and that was the case before personal computers came along. No newspaper has published every single letter anyone sends to the editor without using some discretion.
- mablopoule 3y ago
  This unlimited reach was kinda possible with all the printing technology, and such things as zine. But the main point is that it's the newspaper's own editor, following the newspaper's own editorial line (and possibly the law)
  - mckn1ght 3y ago
    Zines have really small reach compared to the app store and Twitter, and yet still also have editorial direction. You can't just send in any ol' thinkpiece and expect to get it published; it will need to resonate with their sensibilities. The fact of the matter is that everything is gatekept. If you want something done right (as in, not subject to someone else's rules), do it yourself, and you'll find you too will gatekeep after you've spent the considerable effort required to build your own device/OS/appstore ecosystem and social media service, and then someone comes along and tries to tell you how you should run things.
mckn1ght 3y ago
> a pen or a notebook company giving themselves editorial power over what people write in those notebook Don't forget about the most important part: putting what you wrote in front of millions of peoples' eyeballs. No pen/notebook company does that. And if they did, you're not entitled to the vast amount of labor that entails.
- mablopoule 3y ago
  But that's Twitter/X labor, not the App Store labor, the App Store should ideally be a glorified S3.
  - mckn1ght 3y ago
    Strong "dropbox is just rsync" HN vibes right here. Even if it were just "glorified" (whatever that means to you) S3, it would take labor resources to maintain. But it's also much more than that, it's a social service on top of the technical details that tries to maintain a strong security layer.
    - mablopoule 3y ago
      But that's the thing: I don't want this "social service", at all. The labor resources would ideally be reduced by only doing hosting, and to check if the deployed app doesn't contains a malware, not on whether the app follows the guidelines created by some assholes in California. By example, I'm completely creeped by Apple's relations to pornography, and how that impact apps such as Grindr. I'm creeped by the article's suggestion that Apple may remove the Twitter app "to protect" it's user from seeing Alex Jones content. In the same way, I wouldn't want my chinese-made phone to "protect" me from political opinion unsavory to peoples in Beijing. That is why I really prefer the web vision of just deploying stuff on a domain you own, with a server you rent, and importantly no such thing as a whitelist of accepted domains curated by the browser maintainers. Of course even then there are limits to the kind of thing you can put in there, but nowhere near as much as those done on App stores. I'm french, and despite both being western countries, there's enough cultural differences between France and the US to make me really despise any attempt at content control by platforms who I believe should stay culturally neutral; instead I just see people having accepted this level of cultural influence as being normal, even beneficial.

jimjimjim 3y ago

The general public arrived and their wants transformed computers. And now they have left computers for their phones. You can still do all the things you used to be able to do on your computer.

karlshea 3y ago

Anyone can set up a blog and write whatever craziness they’d like just like you can with a pen or notebook. But no one is entitled to unlimited reach, and that was the case before personal computers came along. No newspaper has published every single letter anyone sends to the editor without using some discretion.

mablopoule 3y ago
This unlimited reach was kinda possible with all the printing technology, and such things as zine. But the main point is that it's the newspaper's own editor, following the newspaper's own editorial line (and possibly the law)
- mckn1ght 3y ago
  Zines have really small reach compared to the app store and Twitter, and yet still also have editorial direction. You can't just send in any ol' thinkpiece and expect to get it published; it will need to resonate with their sensibilities. The fact of the matter is that everything is gatekept. If you want something done right (as in, not subject to someone else's rules), do it yourself, and you'll find you too will gatekeep after you've spent the considerable effort required to build your own device/OS/appstore ecosystem and social media service, and then someone comes along and tries to tell you how you should run things.

mckn1ght 3y ago

> a pen or a notebook company giving themselves editorial power over what people write in those notebook Don't forget about the most important part: putting what you wrote in front of millions of peoples' eyeballs. No pen/notebook company does that. And if they did, you're not entitled to the vast amount of labor that entails.

mablopoule 3y ago
But that's Twitter/X labor, not the App Store labor, the App Store should ideally be a glorified S3.
- mckn1ght 3y ago
  Strong "dropbox is just rsync" HN vibes right here. Even if it were just "glorified" (whatever that means to you) S3, it would take labor resources to maintain. But it's also much more than that, it's a social service on top of the technical details that tries to maintain a strong security layer.
  - mablopoule 3y ago
    But that's the thing: I don't want this "social service", at all. The labor resources would ideally be reduced by only doing hosting, and to check if the deployed app doesn't contains a malware, not on whether the app follows the guidelines created by some assholes in California. By example, I'm completely creeped by Apple's relations to pornography, and how that impact apps such as Grindr. I'm creeped by the article's suggestion that Apple may remove the Twitter app "to protect" it's user from seeing Alex Jones content. In the same way, I wouldn't want my chinese-made phone to "protect" me from political opinion unsavory to peoples in Beijing. That is why I really prefer the web vision of just deploying stuff on a domain you own, with a server you rent, and importantly no such thing as a whitelist of accepted domains curated by the browser maintainers. Of course even then there are limits to the kind of thing you can put in there, but nowhere near as much as those done on App stores. I'm french, and despite both being western countries, there's enough cultural differences between France and the US to make me really despise any attempt at content control by platforms who I believe should stay culturally neutral; instead I just see people having accepted this level of cultural influence as being normal, even beneficial.