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To attack Apple you'd have to attack vertical integration in general more aggressively, not just when it's "unfair". Which Epic won't do because the integration

To attack Apple you'd have to attack vertical integration in general more aggressively, not just when it's "unfair". Which Epic won't do because the integration between their games, their engine licensing, and their store is also a key part of their identity today.

rezonant 3y ago
I think the only part of what you describe that is potentially a vertical tie is the Unreal Marketplace license requiring that assets you buy only be used in Unreal. Otherwise, you can put non-Unreal games on EGS, and you can put Unreal games on other stores. EGS does not give you benefits if you choose to publish an Unreal game on EGS, and I'd be surprised if all the games EGS buys exclusivity for are Unreal games. Epic does sell their own games on Epic Game Store, but they also sell most of their games on Steam too (with the huge exception of Fortnite, though it's free to play)
- morelisp 3y ago
  > EGS does not give you benefits if you choose to publish an Unreal game on EGS This is false. If you sell a UE game in Epic's store they don't charge the engine licensing fee.
  - rezonant 3y ago
    I stand corrected but your "False!" is in bad form. Here's the docs, search for Epic Games Store in this FAQ. They waive the 5% royalties when sold on Epic Game Store. https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/faq https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/faq
    - morelisp 3y ago
      Right, the problem is that I said it was false, not that you said something totally false with such certainty.
      - rezonant 3y ago
        Hey I said, "I think", and was ready to accept that there was more to it. Yours was assertive about that being wrong without providing any supporting evidence for your claim. You made me find it instead. Hence the "bad form". I'm not sure how "I think..." conveys certainty. It's just an abrasive thing to do running around going "False!" and "Wrong!" on the Internet. So yeah I'll give you flak for it. I put in effort to try to not be abrasive because people call that out when I do. You're just receiving the same.
        burnerburnito 3y ago
        What's he supposed to say? "Sweetie, you might maybe be possibly wrong maybe. I might be wrong too but i think it could be saying..." He didn't attack you or act abrasive. You are right that "I think" is not supremely certain language, but it does actually carry certainty with it since you're not saying "I don't know anything about this, but I think..." Conclusion: I believe you're being a bit overly defensive, and should relax a little. He wasn't personally attacking you, he was saying you were false when you were objectively false, without much in the way of personal insult or even arrogance, and cited his source reasonably well.

rezonant 3y ago

I think the only part of what you describe that is potentially a vertical tie is the Unreal Marketplace license requiring that assets you buy only be used in Unreal. Otherwise, you can put non-Unreal games on EGS, and you can put Unreal games on other stores. EGS does not give you benefits if you choose to publish an Unreal game on EGS, and I'd be surprised if all the games EGS buys exclusivity for are Unreal games. Epic does sell their own games on Epic Game Store, but they also sell most of their games on Steam too (with the huge exception of Fortnite, though it's free to play)

morelisp 3y ago
> EGS does not give you benefits if you choose to publish an Unreal game on EGS This is false. If you sell a UE game in Epic's store they don't charge the engine licensing fee.
- rezonant 3y ago
  I stand corrected but your "False!" is in bad form. Here's the docs, search for Epic Games Store in this FAQ. They waive the 5% royalties when sold on Epic Game Store. https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/faq https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/faq
  - morelisp 3y ago
    Right, the problem is that I said it was false, not that you said something totally false with such certainty.
    - rezonant 3y ago
      Hey I said, "I think", and was ready to accept that there was more to it. Yours was assertive about that being wrong without providing any supporting evidence for your claim. You made me find it instead. Hence the "bad form". I'm not sure how "I think..." conveys certainty. It's just an abrasive thing to do running around going "False!" and "Wrong!" on the Internet. So yeah I'll give you flak for it. I put in effort to try to not be abrasive because people call that out when I do. You're just receiving the same.
      - burnerburnito 3y ago
        What's he supposed to say? "Sweetie, you might maybe be possibly wrong maybe. I might be wrong too but i think it could be saying..." He didn't attack you or act abrasive. You are right that "I think" is not supremely certain language, but it does actually carry certainty with it since you're not saying "I don't know anything about this, but I think..." Conclusion: I believe you're being a bit overly defensive, and should relax a little. He wasn't personally attacking you, he was saying you were false when you were objectively false, without much in the way of personal insult or even arrogance, and cited his source reasonably well.