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Man with no ticket or passport flew from copenhagen to Los Angeles, FBI says
- quazar 3y agohttps://archive.is/kgaxs https://archive.is/kgaxs
- widforss 3y agoIf you take this man on face value, this would be the most terrifying situation to be in. You end up on the wrong side of a border control, without any idea how you ended up there, sleep deprived and hungry. Not that you should take this man on face value.
- rand1239 3y ago> this would be the most terrifying situation to be in Are you sure? How about a few seconds before you die? I would take being in US illegally over non existence any day.
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- farmdve 3y agoAnd also he's going to jail instead of being deported to where he came from. I have to say the American justice system terrifies me.
- goodcanadian 3y agoHe will very likely be deported if he has committed no other crime, but first, they have to figure out where to send him.
- fvdessen 3y agoFun story: A colleague had to fly to the USA for work, but when he arrived they noticed some mistake in the paperwork. They couldn't send him back because an Icelandic volcano had erupted, so they gave him orange overalls and chains and put him in jail for a while
- dannyw 3y agoIt depends on how you act. Most crimes require intent. Going straight to border control, saying “I have no recollection of how I got here. I don’t have a passport” probably wouldn’t have gotten you charged.
- RetroTechie 3y agoThat's basically what happened, and still the dude found himself charged with a crime. So farmdve's comment is spot on.
- crooked-v 3y agoBetween the noted erratic behavior on the plane, his self-reported sleep deprivation, and him effectively turning himself in after, it seems very plausible to me that he was either on a bad drug trip or under the control of the Ambien walrus [1], and somehow the Swiss cheese holes [2] lined up perfectly for him to wander onto the jet bridge of the wrong international flight at the exact moment nobody there was paying attention. [1]: https://www.healthline.com/health/side-effects-of-taking-ambien#3 https://www.healthline.com/health/side-effects-of-taking-amb... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model
- colechristensen 3y ago>He said he “might have had” a plane ticket to the United States, but was not sure, according to the affidavit. Mr. Ochigava also said he “did not remember how he got on the plane” and “would not explain how or when he got to Copenhagen, or what he was doing there,” the affidavit says. He also “claimed he did not remember how he went through security without a ticket,” it says. He is either lying or suffering quite a substantial mental health issue. One would presume it wouldn't be too much trouble for investigators to get some more information about the circumstances of this man's arrival.
- crooked-v 3y agoMy guess would be that he's telling the truth about not knowing what happened or how he got through security, but implicitly lying about the (legal or illegal) drugs that put him in an impaired state throughout.
- ivan_gammel 3y agoHe was convicted for selling drugs in the past, but he had mental health problems since 24.02.2022. The fact that his Russian travel passport was missing probably points to a different explanation: he used it to pass security and he may have had a ticket for another flight, but he lost it after security. Extra stress did not help his mental state, so he eventually managed to board some random flight and landed in USA. Edit: his conviction was for possession, not for selling drugs.
- Svip 3y agoThe ground crew that check people's papers during boarding are not the same crew who are on the flight. Copenhagen Airport has a separate area for non-Schengen flights. He may "simply" have arrived from a non-Schengen origin and then avoided leaving through passport control and gone on a different flight, somehow.
- throwaway290 3y ago> The ground crew that check people's papers during boarding are not the same crew who are on the flight Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't
- widforss 3y agoMaybe you'll divorce at 40, maybe you'll dance the 'Funky Chicken' on your 75th wedding anniversary
- midasuni 3y agoIf you manage to do both that would be very impressive
- sshine 3y agoYou can divorce someone and re-marry them soon after and not break the counting cycle.
- throwaway290 3y agoUnless you are male in which case it's normal in quite a few jurisdictions
- midasuni 3y agoTo live to 115? And be fit enough to dance the funky chicken?
- throwaway4good 3y agoYou normally would have to go through two security checks and a standard boarding check to get on that flight. Maybe he got out on the tarmac and somehow just walked to the plane.
- qingdao99 3y agoI've always thought that you could probably just walk off somewhere else once you're on the tarmac.
- throwaway4good 3y agoThere are people watching you and a rope marking where you are allowed to walk ... maybe if you wear a yellow west.
- dannyw 3y agoHumans are bad at watching out for rare possibilities, particularly when their job is repetitive, even moreso if they’re sleep deprived or simply zoned out for a bit. I bet if you try this, you’d have a >3% chance of succeeding… and probably >33% with a vest, no hand luggage, and actively talking on the radio. Dress as law enforcement, and you’ll have a 100% success rate.
- saiya-jin 3y agoYeah try that sometime, because a random wandering clueless person which doesn't wear usual bright airport staff clothing wouldn't be visible form a mile for everybody who cares to look, and there are always staff folks driving around with radios. You would stick out a lot. It doesn't mean that you will never ever succeed (that swiss cheese model mentioned elsewhere), but most probably (at least in western countries and modern airports) you will be caught quickly and go straight to airport jail. Or if you somehow make it then walk into airplane which is actually fully booked, probably same result. That being said I once had a very stressful situation in the middle of the night in Mombasa, Kenya where I was changing flight to Tanzania, but directions where to go within airport were vague, random staff didn't have a clue and when I arrived at the door to buses the staff/stewardess just told me to wait. I waited and waited till departure time, they didn't care at all about me and my increasingly urgent questions. I raised this with some random airport staff who was just running around, he just yelled at that staff and took me running straight through runways in heavy rain to the correct flight which was about to depart with aircraft door already closed. This was 2011. Impossible in the west, maybe now even there.
- m463 3y agofrom yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38608064 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38608064
- ivan_gammel 3y agoPoor guy. Apparently he was suffering from mental health problems recently. https://m.lenta.ru/news/2023/12/12/new/ https://m.lenta.ru/news/2023/12/12/new/
- itronitron 3y ago>> seen on airport surveillance images “without a valid ticket.” What a wonderfully meaningless statement from the Copenhagen Airport representative.
- miningape 3y agoDenmark is surprisingly lax about a lot of stuff, we have an impression of Danes being a highly educated and motivated society but the reality is definitely more average. Stupid shit like this happens all the time but nothing happens because usually the consequences aren't too big (read: noticeable), if they are Danish companies usually hire American consultants
- marcus_holmes 3y agoWe got married in Denmark, as a lot of foreigners living in Germany do, because of this laxity. Germany requires a metric tonne of paperwork to prove everything was legit (and all of that had to be officially translated from source language into German). Denmark not so much (and they were fine with dealing with German and English documents). You gotta love the Viking attitude to paperwork ;)
- miningape 3y agoNice! I'm also definitely on the side of preferring the lax life. I'm a foreigner living in DK and it was definitely one of the most unexpected aspects of life here. I had always had this strong impression it was much more organised and things work in a "perfect" way but that was simply not the case.
- vertis 3y agoWould love to live in Copenhagen but it doesn't seem particularly easy unless you're prepared to marry (which my GF might have a problem with, given she wants to go too) or get a job in Denmark (I have existing international clients and an Estonian company). Would have no issues with starting a Danish company and transferring to using that and paying Danish tax but not really interested in working for a random Danish company just to qualify to live there. But that's not one of the options. I'll just have to settle for visiting frequently.
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- Ekaros 3y agoI wonder how hard it is to shoulder surf the automated passport checks for exiting the Schengen area. At right time or if it is very busy it might be possible to slip by... Still this would indicate that boarding and initial security check failed to verify boarding pass. Then again security check might just glance it.
- simne 3y agoJust look on EU railways regulations - they are huge and with lot of strange old technologies, because, when each country enters union, conducted long negotiations, some things country adapted to EU, for others, EU added new things in EU regulations. Same thing with border control, every country made it considering its own traditions, practices, resources, and I think only exception exUSSR countries, which was used to totalitarian measures and used EU help to implement all new from scratch.
- midasuni 3y agoBeen a while since I used a schengen automate, but the last one I used (U.K.) was an airlock style system. No way you could get through without the person you’re surfing noticing even if the system worked.
- ibejoeb 3y agoIt's intriguing, his claims of not knowing how or why he traveled. Aside from that, I don't understand why this is notable or why it's getting the amount of coverage that it is.