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And then ... > At this point I'm convinced they are making changes as a means to justify their existence. I really hope this is humor and that you aren't conv

by xpe 3y ago

And then ... > At this point I'm convinced they are making changes as a means to justify their existence. I really hope this is humor and that you aren't convinced of this; that would a faulty generalization. There are plausible other interpretations. > If I ran that company the project managers responsible for these breaking changes - and yes, unannounced UI changes are breaking changes - would all be fired. 1. Apple regularly breaks expectations. What is a breaking change to some is often the expectation at Apple. 2. I challenge your assumption that this decision was a mistake. I would expect the pros and cons were calculated. 3. How do you know the decision didn't get approved by higher up the chain? 4. Even if it was a mistake, I challenge your claim that the appropriate response is to fire the managers. I would point you to a vast literature on effective modern management. My remaining points elaborate on this... 5. I disagree with what appears to be angry, impulsive decision to fire them. 6. These are people. I'm not seeing any indication that you value them. 7. Emotions and empathy aside, it would be in your interest to build a healthy culture where risk-taking is encouraged and one mistake doesn't get you fired. Everyone makes mistakes. And we can learn from them. (Yes, dishonesty and negligence gets you fired. And poor performance gets you fired, but this is not evaluated on the basis of only one mistake.) 8. I disagree with what appears to be a "I have everything I need to know about this" attitude. At the very least gather more information before you fire people. If you disagreed with the pro/con assessment, look into how that decision was made. What process(es) could be improved?

saagarjha 3y ago
You've created a very long list over what looks to be hyperbole until 'wannacboatmovie actually does end up in a position at Apple where they handle staffing.
- xpe 3y ago
  I consider you lucky if you think the attitude about 'just fire the people that made mistakes' is hyperbole. It a common attitude, so when ^^ says it, I believe that is what they mean. Also, there is nothing wrong with a long list. And I'm not here for hyperbole.
  - saagarjha 3y ago
    It's a common attitude on the internet, where people will also argue for people to be executed or thrown in jail for trivial slights because it makes their annoyance more visceral. Nobody in their right mind will actually end up doing that when push comes to shove. It can be appropriate to tell people to calm their rhetoric when they do this but I don't see "ok actually 1. there might be a reason and 2. maybe they made a mistake and 3. people who make mistakes should be allowed to learn and 4. …" being very useful.
    - xpe 3y ago
      Many people "in their right minds" _will_ fire someone simply because of one visible mistake. I criticized the comment because it endorsed such behavior. If you want to research the fraction of people that would, please let me know what you find. Do you think the uncertainty in that fraction would change my decision to respond to the words on the page? When someone tells you what they think, it isn't crazy to believe them.

by xpe 3y ago

saagarjha 3y ago

You've created a very long list over what looks to be hyperbole until 'wannacboatmovie actually does end up in a position at Apple where they handle staffing.

xpe 3y ago
I consider you lucky if you think the attitude about 'just fire the people that made mistakes' is hyperbole. It a common attitude, so when ^^ says it, I believe that is what they mean. Also, there is nothing wrong with a long list. And I'm not here for hyperbole.
- saagarjha 3y ago
  It's a common attitude on the internet, where people will also argue for people to be executed or thrown in jail for trivial slights because it makes their annoyance more visceral. Nobody in their right mind will actually end up doing that when push comes to shove. It can be appropriate to tell people to calm their rhetoric when they do this but I don't see "ok actually 1. there might be a reason and 2. maybe they made a mistake and 3. people who make mistakes should be allowed to learn and 4. …" being very useful.
  - xpe 3y ago
    Many people "in their right minds" _will_ fire someone simply because of one visible mistake. I criticized the comment because it endorsed such behavior. If you want to research the fraction of people that would, please let me know what you find. Do you think the uncertainty in that fraction would change my decision to respond to the words on the page? When someone tells you what they think, it isn't crazy to believe them.