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Lesson learned: just lock down your platform like Apple. Corrupted freedom is apparently worse than totalitarian control.
by Pxtl 3y ago
Lesson learned: just lock down your platform like Apple. Corrupted freedom is apparently worse than totalitarian control.
- COGlory 3y agoIf Android was locked down, it would be tiny and irrelevant.
- smoldesu 3y agoThe Nintendo Switch runs a locked-down version of Android that has sold over 100 million units of associated hardware.
- StressedDev 3y agoI do not think the Switch runs Android. I think it runs BSD. Could you please provide a link showing the Switch runs Android?
- smoldesu 3y agoIt looks like I was wrong. Same family of hardware/drivers, different OS. Same principle and concept, though; I think BSD's success in the console industry proves that open OSes can find use (albeit as components of closed systems).
- donkeybeer 3y agoI'd say the main reason is that BSD licensed oses are attractive to these locked down devices because there is no requirement to keep your fork open source as well. Play Station 3, and if this is true then apparently Nintendo Switch as well, and so on.
- lolinder 3y agoWikipedia says you're both wrong—it uses some code from both FreeBSD and Android, but isn't actually based on either. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch_system_software#Open_source_components https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch_system_softw...
- COGlory 3y agoBlackberry, Tizen, Windows Phone, FirefoxOS. Samsung, HTC, Huawei, Alcatel, Nokia, LG. How does Google, running closed and un-licensable Android with no phone to put it on, compete?
- Pxtl 3y agoName one of those OSes that had a quality phone on the market with a zero-dollar-license OS in 2009. Android was first modern mobile OS to market that would run on 3rd party devices (unlike Apple and RIM). Tizen was 2013. Win phone was 2011, and had license fees to use it.
- COGlory 3y agoIn this scenario (locked down like Apple), 3rd party devices aren't running Android.
- Pxtl 3y agoWhat? Why would devices locked down at the OS-level to only a 1st-party store and only permitting installing through that 1st-party store be hardware-bound? Winphones were bound to the Windows store, but were 3rd-party devices.
- COGlory 3y agoBecause the comparison is to Apple.
- Pxtl 3y agoThe lawsuits vs Google and Apple were about was allowing 3rd-party stores onto your platform, not about hardware lock-in.
- COGlory 3y agoEpic vs Google: Epic wins. Epic vs Apple: Epic loses. Comments like OP: "Lesson learned: just lock down your platform like Apple" My response: "If Android is locked down [like Apple] it never gets big" Not sure why this is so hard to follow.
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- StressedDev 3y agoI think a better lesson would be to comply with the law, do not destroy evidence, and to do what you say you are doing. Google sold Android as being open. Once Android succeeded, Google started closing it and making anti-competitive deals. Many of these deals were illegal because Google had a monopoly and abused its monopoly. Please explain why Google's conduct should not be punished? Why should Google be allowed to violate the United State's anti-trust laws?
- VikingCoder 3y agoI see people on two sides arguing with each other, and not realizing they're having completely different conversations. You're in one conversation. Many other people are in a completely different conversation, something like: Isn't Android more open than tons of closed systems, who will never be punished... and isn't that evidence that the law itself is written poorly?
- rezonant 3y agoWell you know what they say; when the conversation doesn't agree with your world view, subtly change the conversation.
- Pxtl 3y agoI'm not saying they shouldn't be punished. I'm saying that what Apple does is worse and is punished less.
- AnthonyMouse 3y ago> Lesson learned: just lock down your platform like Apple. Corrupted freedom is apparently worse than totalitarian control. Probably not a sound lesson. People are rightly pointing out how little sense this makes -- you can exclude competitors but not disadvantage them? But it was different cases in different courts. Now the higher courts will have to sort it out. They could very well side with Epic in both cases or neither of them.
- freeAgent 3y agoIf the promised freedom doesn’t actually exist, then you have open totalitarian control vs. obfuscated totalitarian control. They both suck, but at least one’s honest about it.