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For one, yes Egypt is complicit in the situation of Gaza. They're paid ~$1.5B/yr by the US in defense aid that's contingent on them playing nice with Israeli d

For one, yes Egypt is complicit in the situation of Gaza. They're paid ~$1.5B/yr by the US in defense aid that's contingent on them playing nice with Israeli defense policy which is mainly seen day to day in the Egyptian enforcement of the Gazan blockade. On top of that though, it's not clear the humanitarian solution is opening that border. With many high level Israeli officials calling for Gaza to be ethnically cleansed, encouraging an evacuation from land that the Gazans might not be allowed back on to could be viewed in hindsight as assisting a crime against humanity.

dragonwriter 3y ago
> On top of that though, it's not clear the humanitarian solution is opening that border. With many high level Israeli officials calling for Gaza to be ethnically cleansed, encouraging an evacuation from land that the Gazans might not be allowed back on to could be viewed in hindsight as assisting a crime against humanity. Allowing people to escape murder is not "assisting with a crime against humanity", whereas stopping them from doing so is clearly exacerbating the crime against humanity. Which is the point: Egypt isn't blocking Palestinian exits to stop Israel from ethnically cleansing Palestine, it is just counting on not letting that be done by pushing the Palestinians out as refugees being likely to create a pile of corpses that (1) Egypt won't need to feed and secure, and (2) Egypt can use internationally in political propaganda against Israel even more than it could use an expensive pile of refugees.
- monocasa 3y ago
  Except the combo of general Egyptian/IDF defense coordination brokered by the US combined with the explicit calls for ethnic cleansing by high level Israeli government officials very well could be interpreted as explicitly assisting in ethnic cleansing.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > Except the combo of general Egyptian/IDF defense coordination brokered by the US combined with the explicit calls for ethnic cleansing by high level Israeli government officials very well could be interpreted as explicitly assisting in ethnic cleansing. Sure, but then it would be following the agreement with Israel restricting imports that would be assisting with the ethnic cleansing more than allowing refugees out.
    - monocasa 3y ago
      Absolutely, and I'm saying that there's been a change in Egyptian policy wrt Gaza and Israel since Oct 7th. Egypt visibly stopped including the IDF in import decisions for a while leading Israel to declare that they would bomb any imports Egypt let in. https://www.gbnews.com/news/world/israel-issues-warning-to-egypt-claiming-it-will-bomb-truck-columns-heading-to-gaza-with-aid https://www.gbnews.com/news/world/israel-issues-warning-to-e... Such a statement would only be required if Egypt intended to allow imports without Israel's approval. Such disagreement wrt humanitarian policies could also be seen in not wanting to be complicit in what might be seen as a crime against humanity. A "we tried to give them aid, violating our long standing agreement with Israel, and also weren't complicit in the ethnic cleansing" argument.

dragonwriter 3y ago

> On top of that though, it's not clear the humanitarian solution is opening that border. With many high level Israeli officials calling for Gaza to be ethnically cleansed, encouraging an evacuation from land that the Gazans might not be allowed back on to could be viewed in hindsight as assisting a crime against humanity. Allowing people to escape murder is not "assisting with a crime against humanity", whereas stopping them from doing so is clearly exacerbating the crime against humanity. Which is the point: Egypt isn't blocking Palestinian exits to stop Israel from ethnically cleansing Palestine, it is just counting on not letting that be done by pushing the Palestinians out as refugees being likely to create a pile of corpses that (1) Egypt won't need to feed and secure, and (2) Egypt can use internationally in political propaganda against Israel even more than it could use an expensive pile of refugees.

monocasa 3y ago
Except the combo of general Egyptian/IDF defense coordination brokered by the US combined with the explicit calls for ethnic cleansing by high level Israeli government officials very well could be interpreted as explicitly assisting in ethnic cleansing.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > Except the combo of general Egyptian/IDF defense coordination brokered by the US combined with the explicit calls for ethnic cleansing by high level Israeli government officials very well could be interpreted as explicitly assisting in ethnic cleansing. Sure, but then it would be following the agreement with Israel restricting imports that would be assisting with the ethnic cleansing more than allowing refugees out.
  - monocasa 3y ago
    Absolutely, and I'm saying that there's been a change in Egyptian policy wrt Gaza and Israel since Oct 7th. Egypt visibly stopped including the IDF in import decisions for a while leading Israel to declare that they would bomb any imports Egypt let in. https://www.gbnews.com/news/world/israel-issues-warning-to-egypt-claiming-it-will-bomb-truck-columns-heading-to-gaza-with-aid https://www.gbnews.com/news/world/israel-issues-warning-to-e... Such a statement would only be required if Egypt intended to allow imports without Israel's approval. Such disagreement wrt humanitarian policies could also be seen in not wanting to be complicit in what might be seen as a crime against humanity. A "we tried to give them aid, violating our long standing agreement with Israel, and also weren't complicit in the ethnic cleansing" argument.