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19000 cancer death linked to alkohol means your chances to be killed in road accident in US is x2 higher than to die from that type of cancer.

YokoZar 3y ago
Yes, road safety is a serious health problem. But if it's twice as hard to mitigate, that implies we should spend some effort on reducing alcohol deaths too.
- ponector 3y ago
  Actually it is easy to mitigate if you have political will. Vision zero is a common approach which is working in EU. Or laws could be appended with requirements to install extra technical measures to the cars to prevent driving under influence and speeding. It is unclear for me why there is no hard speed limit installed into the cars, like 140km/h.
happytiger 3y ago
Is that more a commentary on what a meat grinder driving actually is rather than an argument against working to mitigate cancer risk?
- ponector 3y ago
  The point is that it is unlikely someone will get alcohol related cancer. My anecdata is that people who has alcohol addiction are dying earlier, but not from cancer. Main causes of deaths are liver failures and drunk accidents(like freezing to death in winter or DUI).
  - happytiger 3y ago
    Well that’s certainly true. I’ve seen quite a few people mess their lives up or take an early check out because of the sauce in my time. But my understanding was that it has been difficult to directly link cancer and alcohol consumption causatively and it’s only been recent genetic research that’s opening up just how many cases are actually related. This study made the number go from 750k to more than 3 million globally, and as research improves I imagine that number will continue to grow. So, perhaps we shouldn’t so readily discount the link on the basis of its number of cases since we are only starting to have the science we need and the studies based on that science to create effective studies that aren’t based on correlative evidence. https://www.ndph.ox.ac.uk/news/new-genetic-study-confirms-that-alcohol-is-a-direct-cause-of-cancer https://www.ndph.ox.ac.uk/news/new-genetic-study-confirms-th...

YokoZar 3y ago

Yes, road safety is a serious health problem. But if it's twice as hard to mitigate, that implies we should spend some effort on reducing alcohol deaths too.

ponector 3y ago
Actually it is easy to mitigate if you have political will. Vision zero is a common approach which is working in EU. Or laws could be appended with requirements to install extra technical measures to the cars to prevent driving under influence and speeding. It is unclear for me why there is no hard speed limit installed into the cars, like 140km/h.

happytiger 3y ago

Is that more a commentary on what a meat grinder driving actually is rather than an argument against working to mitigate cancer risk?

ponector 3y ago
The point is that it is unlikely someone will get alcohol related cancer. My anecdata is that people who has alcohol addiction are dying earlier, but not from cancer. Main causes of deaths are liver failures and drunk accidents(like freezing to death in winter or DUI).
- happytiger 3y ago
  Well that’s certainly true. I’ve seen quite a few people mess their lives up or take an early check out because of the sauce in my time. But my understanding was that it has been difficult to directly link cancer and alcohol consumption causatively and it’s only been recent genetic research that’s opening up just how many cases are actually related. This study made the number go from 750k to more than 3 million globally, and as research improves I imagine that number will continue to grow. So, perhaps we shouldn’t so readily discount the link on the basis of its number of cases since we are only starting to have the science we need and the studies based on that science to create effective studies that aren’t based on correlative evidence. https://www.ndph.ox.ac.uk/news/new-genetic-study-confirms-that-alcohol-is-a-direct-cause-of-cancer https://www.ndph.ox.ac.uk/news/new-genetic-study-confirms-th...