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If you want to see what Hamas says, or the tone of a segment of regional discussions, I encourage you to use your favorite translator on https://www.aljazeera.n

If you want to see what Hamas says, or the tone of a segment of regional discussions, I encourage you to use your favorite translator on https://www.aljazeera.net/ https://www.aljazeera.net/. The arabic-language views are not always shared on the english-language version. The blog section is particularly aggressive at times. For the most inflammatory statements by leaders you can look at https://www.memri.org/ https://www.memri.org/, whose translation choices are sometimes disputed, and who is accused of being some sort of CIA-backed saboteur for choosing the worst statements without enough context, but I think can give you an idea.

__blockcipher__ 3y ago
I'm familiar with Memri, although it seems like less of a CIA op and more of an Israeli / American Zionist op. Then again, there might be a lot of overlap between the two :P (Wiki claims that it's founded by "Israeli ex-intelligence officer Yigal Carmon and Israeli-American political scientist Meyrav Wurmser") I'm no fan of Hamas. Although speaking personally, I will never condemn any attacks of theirs on Israeli military installations or IDF tanks/soldiers. But any civilian killed intentionally is a war crime. I was really saddened to hear about the attack in Jerusalem where two Hamas gunmen killed a couple of civilians. To me that stuff is totally unjustifiable. I wish Hamas would give up dreams of reclaiming the originally stolen Palestinian land; it's not right that the land was taken but for better or for worse Israel is here to stay. I would like to see them fight a defensive war, with any offensive operations (i.e. crossing into Israel) focused only on military targets. In reality that's unlikely to ever happen, but if Hamas just did that then they would have the indisputable moral highground, instead of the current reality where in absolute numbers they commit way less evil than Israel but are clearly full of darkness themselves.
- ashirusnw 3y ago
  If Hamas would take up a defensive stance, there would never be any conflict. The only reason Israel attacks has been in response to terrorism. You seem to view Hamas as just an extreme pro-Palestinian faction that's gone too far, but actually they're a terrorism group in every sense of the word, not tomorrow's leaders. (See video of Hamas throwing Fatah members off a rooftop one by one to their deaths, as one of numerous examples, besides that USA, EU, UK, Canada ... all class it was a terrorist organisation)
  - hbt 3y ago
    Hamas is a resistance movement and they have every right to resist by any means necessary. the same way the French resisted against the Nazis or the algerians against the French occupation. I don't hear french resistance being called terrorists despite sabotage operations, assassinations of nazi personnel and executing collaborators. they carried a successful military raid, captured hostages and exchanged them for Palestinian hostages. I completely reject the classification of Hamas as a terrorist group by countries that won't even join the international criminal court to protect their war criminals.
    - shiroiuma 3y ago
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    - js212 3y ago
      Raping and beheading people is terrorism. Even most Irish people hate Hamas. https://oct7th.org https://oct7th.org
      - hbt 3y ago
        Yes, I agree those are war crimes and October 7th is called a Tuesday in the West Bank. You're welcome to read about the torture programs by the IDF from reputable organizations like humans right watch, amnesty international or even former IDF soldiers (your own people) explaining their tactics to terrorize the Palestinian population. I have more trust in those organizations as well as former IDF soldiers (who overcame the brainwashing, grew a conscience and spoke up) than the repeated lies in the zionist controlled media (40 babies? who lies about stuff like that?). You can read more about resistance under international law and how it's defined by the U.N charter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_resist#:~:text=Based%20on%20the%20charter%2C%20the,subjugation%2C%20domination%20and%20exploitation%22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_resist#:~:text=Based%.... Again, I will take that definition over the definition of a resistance movement by a military occupation.
    - isr 3y ago
      well said
- ignoramous 3y ago
  > I wish Hamas would give up dreams of reclaiming the originally stolen Palestinian land Hamas agrees to 1967 borders, fwiw: https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-said-set-to-recognize-1967-borders-but-not-israel/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-said-set-to-recognize-19... > indisputable moral highground No side in this conflict has that. When they reach peace is when both sides would have found that elusive highground. > clearly full of darkness Yes, they are. They've been abandoned [1]. Note though, Hamas is not designated as a terror organization by most of the global south; and al-Qassam, its militant wing, doesn't take orders from Hamas. [1] In fact, other studies show that Palestinians feel profoundly, existentially, alone: https://archive.is/rLq02 https://archive.is/rLq02
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__blockcipher__ 3y ago

I'm familiar with Memri, although it seems like less of a CIA op and more of an Israeli / American Zionist op. Then again, there might be a lot of overlap between the two :P (Wiki claims that it's founded by "Israeli ex-intelligence officer Yigal Carmon and Israeli-American political scientist Meyrav Wurmser") I'm no fan of Hamas. Although speaking personally, I will never condemn any attacks of theirs on Israeli military installations or IDF tanks/soldiers. But any civilian killed intentionally is a war crime. I was really saddened to hear about the attack in Jerusalem where two Hamas gunmen killed a couple of civilians. To me that stuff is totally unjustifiable. I wish Hamas would give up dreams of reclaiming the originally stolen Palestinian land; it's not right that the land was taken but for better or for worse Israel is here to stay. I would like to see them fight a defensive war, with any offensive operations (i.e. crossing into Israel) focused only on military targets. In reality that's unlikely to ever happen, but if Hamas just did that then they would have the indisputable moral highground, instead of the current reality where in absolute numbers they commit way less evil than Israel but are clearly full of darkness themselves.

ashirusnw 3y ago
If Hamas would take up a defensive stance, there would never be any conflict. The only reason Israel attacks has been in response to terrorism. You seem to view Hamas as just an extreme pro-Palestinian faction that's gone too far, but actually they're a terrorism group in every sense of the word, not tomorrow's leaders. (See video of Hamas throwing Fatah members off a rooftop one by one to their deaths, as one of numerous examples, besides that USA, EU, UK, Canada ... all class it was a terrorist organisation)
- hbt 3y ago
  Hamas is a resistance movement and they have every right to resist by any means necessary. the same way the French resisted against the Nazis or the algerians against the French occupation. I don't hear french resistance being called terrorists despite sabotage operations, assassinations of nazi personnel and executing collaborators. they carried a successful military raid, captured hostages and exchanged them for Palestinian hostages. I completely reject the classification of Hamas as a terrorist group by countries that won't even join the international criminal court to protect their war criminals.
  - shiroiuma 3y ago
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  - js212 3y ago
    Raping and beheading people is terrorism. Even most Irish people hate Hamas. https://oct7th.org https://oct7th.org
    - hbt 3y ago
      Yes, I agree those are war crimes and October 7th is called a Tuesday in the West Bank. You're welcome to read about the torture programs by the IDF from reputable organizations like humans right watch, amnesty international or even former IDF soldiers (your own people) explaining their tactics to terrorize the Palestinian population. I have more trust in those organizations as well as former IDF soldiers (who overcame the brainwashing, grew a conscience and spoke up) than the repeated lies in the zionist controlled media (40 babies? who lies about stuff like that?). You can read more about resistance under international law and how it's defined by the U.N charter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_resist#:~:text=Based%20on%20the%20charter%2C%20the,subjugation%2C%20domination%20and%20exploitation%22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_resist#:~:text=Based%.... Again, I will take that definition over the definition of a resistance movement by a military occupation.
  - isr 3y ago
    well said
ignoramous 3y ago
> I wish Hamas would give up dreams of reclaiming the originally stolen Palestinian land Hamas agrees to 1967 borders, fwiw: https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-said-set-to-recognize-1967-borders-but-not-israel/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-said-set-to-recognize-19... > indisputable moral highground No side in this conflict has that. When they reach peace is when both sides would have found that elusive highground. > clearly full of darkness Yes, they are. They've been abandoned [1]. Note though, Hamas is not designated as a terror organization by most of the global south; and al-Qassam, its militant wing, doesn't take orders from Hamas. [1] In fact, other studies show that Palestinians feel profoundly, existentially, alone: https://archive.is/rLq02 https://archive.is/rLq02
- deleted 3y ago
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