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> Israel, as a state, has the moral duty to fight back and make sure this never happens again. This is often said and I’m sure often in good faith, but I alway

> Israel, as a state, has the moral duty to fight back and make sure this never happens again. This is often said and I’m sure often in good faith, but I always find it a bit unsettling. If by “making sure it never happens again” you mean stronger protection of the boarder going forward it’s fine of course. But if you’re referring to someone kind of offensive operation (as I assume most who say this are, since they are defending an offensive operation) I can’t see how that would be possible within the law of armed conflict. It would require sending Gaza back to the stone age and keeping it that way forever, or permanent occupation, or something like that.

nahumfarchi 3y ago
We've tried defense, didn't work out. Which laws of armed conflict are you specifically referring to?
- bjornsing 3y ago
  As it’s not clear to me how this goal could possibly be accomplished I can’t refer to any specific international law. But the spirit of the law does not allow for the indefinite subjugation of a neighboring people, regardless of what some of them have done.
  - ashirusnw 3y ago
    It's impossible to describe Gaza 2005-2022 as indefinite subjugation. Quite the opposite. It could have become Singapore if not for Hamas.
    - covercash 3y ago
      Then why isn’t the West Bank Singapore?
      - pgeorgi 3y ago
        Abbas is no Lee Kuan Yew, and that comparison is already way more charitable than Abbas deserves... Wikipedia describes Lee as such: "Lee oversaw Singapore's transformation into a developed country with a high-income economy within his premiership. In the process, he forged a highly effective, anti-corrupt government and civil service. Lee eschewed populist policies in favour of long-term social and economic planning, championing civic nationalism through meritocracy[3] and multiracialism[4][5] as governing principles, making English the lingua franca[6] to integrate its immigrant society and to facilitate trade with the world, whilst mandating bilingualism in schools to preserve the students' mother tongue and ethnic identity." That's a forward looking vision, not a backwards looking vision like the "Palestinian cause" that seems to end with restitution. Would any politician with such a vision like Lee's even have a chance with Palestine's electorate? No idea, elections were last held in 2006...
    - bjornsing 3y ago
      > It's impossible to describe Gaza 2005-2022 as indefinite subjugation. I wasn’t. I was describing Gaza 2023- under a regime that can guarantee nothing like October 7 can ever happen again as indefinite subjugation.
xenospn 3y ago
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nahumfarchi 3y ago

We've tried defense, didn't work out. Which laws of armed conflict are you specifically referring to?

bjornsing 3y ago
As it’s not clear to me how this goal could possibly be accomplished I can’t refer to any specific international law. But the spirit of the law does not allow for the indefinite subjugation of a neighboring people, regardless of what some of them have done.
- ashirusnw 3y ago
  It's impossible to describe Gaza 2005-2022 as indefinite subjugation. Quite the opposite. It could have become Singapore if not for Hamas.
  - covercash 3y ago
    Then why isn’t the West Bank Singapore?
    - pgeorgi 3y ago
      Abbas is no Lee Kuan Yew, and that comparison is already way more charitable than Abbas deserves... Wikipedia describes Lee as such: "Lee oversaw Singapore's transformation into a developed country with a high-income economy within his premiership. In the process, he forged a highly effective, anti-corrupt government and civil service. Lee eschewed populist policies in favour of long-term social and economic planning, championing civic nationalism through meritocracy[3] and multiracialism[4][5] as governing principles, making English the lingua franca[6] to integrate its immigrant society and to facilitate trade with the world, whilst mandating bilingualism in schools to preserve the students' mother tongue and ethnic identity." That's a forward looking vision, not a backwards looking vision like the "Palestinian cause" that seems to end with restitution. Would any politician with such a vision like Lee's even have a chance with Palestine's electorate? No idea, elections were last held in 2006...
  - bjornsing 3y ago
    > It's impossible to describe Gaza 2005-2022 as indefinite subjugation. I wasn’t. I was describing Gaza 2023- under a regime that can guarantee nothing like October 7 can ever happen again as indefinite subjugation.

xenospn 3y ago

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