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I understand the concern but I also understand the general public reaction to Israel's actions. The occupation is one thing, but the genocidal rhetoric by Israe

I understand the concern but I also understand the general public reaction to Israel's actions. The occupation is one thing, but the genocidal rhetoric by Israeli officials and the desecration of muslim holy sites and harassment of Armenian Christians in Jerusalem is another. Israel needs to do more to change its behavior and protect its image if it doesn't want people to be repulsed by its actions Turkey isn't innocent but Turkey is calculated and careful. They know Kurdish people represent a significant part of their population (20 million) and they can't carelessly stomp around like Israel is used to doing

ImJamal 3y ago
>I understand the concern but I also understand the general public reaction to Israel's actions. The occupation is one thing, but the genocidal rhetoric by Israeli officials and the desecration of muslim holy sites and harassment of Armenian Christians in Jerusalem is another. I'm not sure if you do understand my concerns. The problem is the genocidal talk is going both ways. I've seen some estimates that 25% of Tel Aviv is LGBT. If Palestine controlled the entire region (from the river to the sea) how many of those in Tel Aviv would be killed? Calling for a people to take over land who we know will specifically target a certain demographic to kill is genocidal rhetoric. Yet so many westerners are literally calling for it. It is hard to take people's criticism against genocide seriously when they are calling for an action that will lead to genocide. Christians are persecuted in Palestine as well. (I've seen some numbers that indicate Christians in Palestine support Palestine more than Israel, but it isn't really clear). When looking at the percentage of Christians over time in Palestine, I'm guessing they aren't treated all that well in Palestine either. I haven't seen any numbers about Jews in Palestine, but if there are any, I doubt they are treated well. I'm just complaining about the selective outrage. Ignoring well known terrible things in the same conflict you are protesting is so selective it feels deceptive. If you are focused enough on a conflict to know about the bad things on "their" side then call out "your" side as well. If you don't call out your side I will just assume you don't care about abuses. (Sorry, I'm just rambling and know you aren't justifying genocide/abuses) > Israel needs to do more to change its behavior and protect its image if it doesn't want people to be repulsed by its actions Sure, but I guess this goes back to my complaint about selectively being outraged. Why are so many people repulsed by Israel not also repulsed by Hamas? > Turkey isn't innocent but Turkey is calculated and careful. They know Kurdish people represent a significant part of their population (20 million) and they can't carelessly stomp around like Israel is used to doing You know something like 20% of Israelis are Muslims and a couple more percentage are non ethnic Jews? If Turkey can't oppress the Kurds (in the same way Israel does) because of the percentage of the population then how can Israel do it? Regardless, I don't trust the Turkey (or Israel) numbers. We don't know what these governments are doing and that is my point. They are all crap. Selectively picking the bad guy and assuming the numbers are accurate and ignoring the other side is dumb.

ImJamal 3y ago

>I understand the concern but I also understand the general public reaction to Israel's actions. The occupation is one thing, but the genocidal rhetoric by Israeli officials and the desecration of muslim holy sites and harassment of Armenian Christians in Jerusalem is another. I'm not sure if you do understand my concerns. The problem is the genocidal talk is going both ways. I've seen some estimates that 25% of Tel Aviv is LGBT. If Palestine controlled the entire region (from the river to the sea) how many of those in Tel Aviv would be killed? Calling for a people to take over land who we know will specifically target a certain demographic to kill is genocidal rhetoric. Yet so many westerners are literally calling for it. It is hard to take people's criticism against genocide seriously when they are calling for an action that will lead to genocide. Christians are persecuted in Palestine as well. (I've seen some numbers that indicate Christians in Palestine support Palestine more than Israel, but it isn't really clear). When looking at the percentage of Christians over time in Palestine, I'm guessing they aren't treated all that well in Palestine either. I haven't seen any numbers about Jews in Palestine, but if there are any, I doubt they are treated well. I'm just complaining about the selective outrage. Ignoring well known terrible things in the same conflict you are protesting is so selective it feels deceptive. If you are focused enough on a conflict to know about the bad things on "their" side then call out "your" side as well. If you don't call out your side I will just assume you don't care about abuses. (Sorry, I'm just rambling and know you aren't justifying genocide/abuses) > Israel needs to do more to change its behavior and protect its image if it doesn't want people to be repulsed by its actions Sure, but I guess this goes back to my complaint about selectively being outraged. Why are so many people repulsed by Israel not also repulsed by Hamas? > Turkey isn't innocent but Turkey is calculated and careful. They know Kurdish people represent a significant part of their population (20 million) and they can't carelessly stomp around like Israel is used to doing You know something like 20% of Israelis are Muslims and a couple more percentage are non ethnic Jews? If Turkey can't oppress the Kurds (in the same way Israel does) because of the percentage of the population then how can Israel do it? Regardless, I don't trust the Turkey (or Israel) numbers. We don't know what these governments are doing and that is my point. They are all crap. Selectively picking the bad guy and assuming the numbers are accurate and ignoring the other side is dumb.