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What is Anthropic doing and who is their customer? AFAIK they over-censor their models, have subpar quality even compared to Llama 2 and Falcon 180B, have been

What is Anthropic doing and who is their customer? AFAIK they over-censor their models, have subpar quality even compared to Llama 2 and Falcon 180B, have been generally even more closed than OpenAI, their pricing isn't competitive, no function calling, their long context window isn't that accurate. Why are they even in business yet?

aprilthird2021 3y ago
There's enough room in the market, and the tech is early enough that little paying fandoms can pop up anywhere. Similarly to crypto, all the hopefuls believe their chosen AI will dominate the others and become the AI Godhead (loosely)
SeanAnderson 3y ago
Google invested $2B in them - presumably as a moonshot/backup to their own tooling. I have to assume they're encouraged to go different directions than Gemini and if they don't strike gold then they'll wind down/merge into Google?
bertil 3y ago
I haven’t used their service, so I don’t know what you mean by “over-censor,” but there is a very large commercial opportunity for a model that can handle business tasks. Such models would benefit from being prudish and carefully asking questions before inferring anything. If you explicitly market those are replacements for human assistant work, pricing isn’t that much of a problem. The lack of function is a concern that I’m assuming they are addressing—why go on Google Sheets otherwise? The context window is a concern, as business cases typically rely on long prefixes to any prompt containing the business context.
- antiraza 3y ago
  I asked Claude to help me research the fictional world of an established IP, and it refused, saying it was a fact-based tool and wasn't made to work with fictional content. ¯ \ _ ( ツ ) _ / ¯ An established IP's world is fact from my point of view. I got very little traction there compared to ChatGPT which had a no friction response that I could use to build upon.
  - ek750 3y ago
    Do we need some way to grade these services based on vertical or use-case? I actually tried the same tech questions to multiple services when I first started playing around with these commercial LLMs. I would copy and paste the same question to GPT4, MS Bing (I soon stopped using that since I already have a sub to gpt4), claude, bard, and recently You (https://you.com https://you.com) and while Claude.ai was rarely as good as GPT4, it wasn't too far off for tech questions. I'm not very creative, so maybe the use of it helping with writing fiction or roleplay might help me, I haven't tried it yet. Did you try Claude with non-fictional tasks, and if so, how does that compare to GPT4?
    - antiraza 3y ago
      I did not try Claude for a research based task based on non-fictional content. I think it's good that LLMs becomes specialized tools that can go deep into their expertise, I just think 'a fact engine' -- if that's what Claude is aiming to be -- needs to have correctly rigid controls on what defines fact. From that POV, I think I agree with the 'over-censored' label for Claude earlier in the thread... The intention may not be censorship, but if the LLM is so gunshy about what is fact vs. not, it's going to have a really narrow (and therefore potentially unreliable) lens.
- terminous 3y ago
  Yes. Any customer service agent (human or chatbot) is supposed to be heavily censored.
ninjha 3y ago
> their long context window isn't that accurate Apparently this was just a function of how it was prompted, they claim it works fine if you use a different prompt -- https://www.anthropic.com/index/claude-2-1-prompting https://www.anthropic.com/index/claude-2-1-prompting
a-dub 3y ago
Claude is great, you can upload PDFs of research papers, slides and very long documents and it will spit out decent attempts at implementation code and summaries.
hotpockets 3y ago
I've had good results with Claude. Sometimes better than chatGPT. Never been censored, but that's probably just cause I ask it to teach me about stuff.
antifa 3y ago
Also their API is still locked behind a waitlist.

aprilthird2021 3y ago

There's enough room in the market, and the tech is early enough that little paying fandoms can pop up anywhere. Similarly to crypto, all the hopefuls believe their chosen AI will dominate the others and become the AI Godhead (loosely)

SeanAnderson 3y ago

Google invested $2B in them - presumably as a moonshot/backup to their own tooling. I have to assume they're encouraged to go different directions than Gemini and if they don't strike gold then they'll wind down/merge into Google?

bertil 3y ago

I haven’t used their service, so I don’t know what you mean by “over-censor,” but there is a very large commercial opportunity for a model that can handle business tasks. Such models would benefit from being prudish and carefully asking questions before inferring anything. If you explicitly market those are replacements for human assistant work, pricing isn’t that much of a problem. The lack of function is a concern that I’m assuming they are addressing—why go on Google Sheets otherwise? The context window is a concern, as business cases typically rely on long prefixes to any prompt containing the business context.

antiraza 3y ago
I asked Claude to help me research the fictional world of an established IP, and it refused, saying it was a fact-based tool and wasn't made to work with fictional content. ¯ \ _ ( ツ ) _ / ¯ An established IP's world is fact from my point of view. I got very little traction there compared to ChatGPT which had a no friction response that I could use to build upon.
- ek750 3y ago
  Do we need some way to grade these services based on vertical or use-case? I actually tried the same tech questions to multiple services when I first started playing around with these commercial LLMs. I would copy and paste the same question to GPT4, MS Bing (I soon stopped using that since I already have a sub to gpt4), claude, bard, and recently You (https://you.com https://you.com) and while Claude.ai was rarely as good as GPT4, it wasn't too far off for tech questions. I'm not very creative, so maybe the use of it helping with writing fiction or roleplay might help me, I haven't tried it yet. Did you try Claude with non-fictional tasks, and if so, how does that compare to GPT4?
  - antiraza 3y ago
    I did not try Claude for a research based task based on non-fictional content. I think it's good that LLMs becomes specialized tools that can go deep into their expertise, I just think 'a fact engine' -- if that's what Claude is aiming to be -- needs to have correctly rigid controls on what defines fact. From that POV, I think I agree with the 'over-censored' label for Claude earlier in the thread... The intention may not be censorship, but if the LLM is so gunshy about what is fact vs. not, it's going to have a really narrow (and therefore potentially unreliable) lens.
terminous 3y ago
Yes. Any customer service agent (human or chatbot) is supposed to be heavily censored.

ninjha 3y ago

> their long context window isn't that accurate Apparently this was just a function of how it was prompted, they claim it works fine if you use a different prompt -- https://www.anthropic.com/index/claude-2-1-prompting https://www.anthropic.com/index/claude-2-1-prompting

a-dub 3y ago

Claude is great, you can upload PDFs of research papers, slides and very long documents and it will spit out decent attempts at implementation code and summaries.

hotpockets 3y ago

I've had good results with Claude. Sometimes better than chatGPT. Never been censored, but that's probably just cause I ask it to teach me about stuff.

antifa 3y ago

Also their API is still locked behind a waitlist.