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proxmox is presently not an alternative to the VMWare stack. Not even close. Converting from the VMWare stack⭢ proxmox would be a giant shitshow. I have been

proxmox is presently not an alternative to the VMWare stack. Not even close. Converting from the VMWare stack⭢ proxmox would be a giant shitshow. I have been a paying user of WMware personally since the beginning and I have worked on their enterprise stack for several years. With the changes being made I cant see myself wanting to spend any personal money on it I and I would not recommend someone to start fresh with it, but for a lot of enterprises, they will, short term, have little choice than to pay the fees. I have no idea about the state of Microsoft HyperV. The little I have worked with it, and that was quite a few years ago now it seemed severely lacking in the tools department. Oracle owns VirtualBox, and even if they started to build it out (or have they?) going to Oracle to avoid high fees is not going to be a good idea.

fuzzylightbulb 3y ago
Microsoft is ending mainstream support of Hyper-V Server 2019 on January 9, 2024 and extended support will end on January 9, 2029. Hyper-V Server 2019 will be the last version of this product and Microsoft is encouraging customers to transition to Azure Stack HCI.
- EvanAnderson 3y ago
  Hyper-V as a role you can install on Windows Server is not being discontinued. They're discontinuing the no cost SKU but the feature isn't going away.
  - sebazzz 3y ago
    Exactly, but the Windows license you need for a proper Hyper-V server is quite high
tlamponi 3y ago
We have many happy customers successfully converting from VMWare to Proxmox VE just fine, what's missimg for your usecase?
pashadee 3y ago
If there is a shit show, it is ESXi. I know plenty who've migrated pain free to Proxmox. Back-up works great too. All for free. VMware has a ton of stuff that others are nowhere near, although those offerings are useful for a minority who, as you say, will have to bite the bullet.
EvanAnderson 3y ago
I'm very happy with Hyper-V for small environments. I've got a few clusters under my watch and it's okay. It's certainly not as rock-solid as ESXi, but it would do the job in a lot of the small vSphere environments. Having live migration and replication "in the box" w/o additional licensing expense is nice. I really like the PowerShell applets for Hyper-V. I find them more well thought-out than PowerCLI. I do nearly all of my Hyper-V admin work at the command line.
hnarn 3y ago
> proxmox is presently not an alternative to the VMWare stack. Not even close. Obviously that depends on how you are using the vmware stack. I’ve seen it being used in multiple previous employers in ways that most certainly could have been replaced by something simpler. I realize that’s because they’re not using the stack to its full potential, but that’s exactly my point. For a lot of people vmware is just “what you run vms on” because they were early in the game.

fuzzylightbulb 3y ago

Microsoft is ending mainstream support of Hyper-V Server 2019 on January 9, 2024 and extended support will end on January 9, 2029. Hyper-V Server 2019 will be the last version of this product and Microsoft is encouraging customers to transition to Azure Stack HCI.

EvanAnderson 3y ago
Hyper-V as a role you can install on Windows Server is not being discontinued. They're discontinuing the no cost SKU but the feature isn't going away.
- sebazzz 3y ago
  Exactly, but the Windows license you need for a proper Hyper-V server is quite high

tlamponi 3y ago

We have many happy customers successfully converting from VMWare to Proxmox VE just fine, what's missimg for your usecase?

pashadee 3y ago

If there is a shit show, it is ESXi. I know plenty who've migrated pain free to Proxmox. Back-up works great too. All for free. VMware has a ton of stuff that others are nowhere near, although those offerings are useful for a minority who, as you say, will have to bite the bullet.

EvanAnderson 3y ago

I'm very happy with Hyper-V for small environments. I've got a few clusters under my watch and it's okay. It's certainly not as rock-solid as ESXi, but it would do the job in a lot of the small vSphere environments. Having live migration and replication "in the box" w/o additional licensing expense is nice. I really like the PowerShell applets for Hyper-V. I find them more well thought-out than PowerCLI. I do nearly all of my Hyper-V admin work at the command line.

hnarn 3y ago

> proxmox is presently not an alternative to the VMWare stack. Not even close. Obviously that depends on how you are using the vmware stack. I’ve seen it being used in multiple previous employers in ways that most certainly could have been replaced by something simpler. I realize that’s because they’re not using the stack to its full potential, but that’s exactly my point. For a lot of people vmware is just “what you run vms on” because they were early in the game.