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The Names of Neo-Nazi Music Fans Just Got Leaked

5 points by coloneltcb 3y ago

h2odragon 3y ago
Everybody who said "doxxing is bad" in regards to the students who had their "sign onto public statements" become a little more public than they wanted last month, will surely be leaping to point out how much worse this case is. > "you can never expect to be anonymous in the Swedish fascist movement. ... It is better to contact us if you want to move on with your life than hope that we forget, because we never forget.” Hm. That sounds like that might actually be classifiable as "blackmail," doesn't it? Certainly an effort at intimidation. What's the "Hate Speech" laws got to say about that?
- plagiarist 3y ago
  Those people may have meant more like, "doxxing is bad when it happens to people who aren't plotting how to commit genocide." I guess they should have been more specific?
  - SenAnder 3y ago
    Given that AFA Sweden has attacked immigration judges, does "genocide" here mean simply "reducing immigration"?
    - plagiarist 3y ago
      In this context I believe "plotting genocide" probably refers to the participation in an explicitly white supremacist / Nazi organization. But you knew that, which is why you felt the need to introduce a totally separate situation to argue about.
      - SenAnder 3y ago
        By "participation in a Nazi organization", do you mean buying stuff from a Nazi online shop? And the "totally separate situation" is this same antifascist organization's target selection? But no, let's return to the original claim - we are to believe every one (or at least most) of the doxing victims were "plotting genocide", they weren't just trying to stop immigration to Sweden? Based on what? Even the Nordic Resistance Movement [1], the only far-right terrorist organization mentioned in the article, and which this online shop is merely "linked to" (according to AFA Sweden), are only against immigration - their wiki page has zero mentions of genocide or expansionism. If we applied these skewed "standards" to the AFA itself, they would also be plotting genocide, a mass famine to break Sweden's national resistance, akin to the Holodomor. But of course the guilt by association and demonization only ever go one way. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Resistance_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Resistance_Movement
        plagiarist 3y ago
        Their wiki page describes them as neo-Nazis in the lead sentence. You have completely lost it. No, neo-Nazis, nor people "merely" linking to neo-Nazis, nor people "just asking questions," none of them are covered by the same social contract that makes doxxing students wrong. When people decide to break the social contract by choosing Naziism, they are no longer covered.
        SenAnder 3y ago
        You have still not substantiated that the Nordic Resistance Movement is advocating for genocide, let alone this web retailer that is (allegedly, by the left-wing organization that attacks judges and politicians) linked to this movement, let alone their customers, which is who you originally accused of advocating genocide. This is three layers of guilt by association, and you have not substantiated even one.
        plagiarist 3y ago
        You have done it for me by linking to a source describing them as neo-Nazis. You may continue on to the Wiki page on neo-Nazis to familiarize yourself with their ideology, if you'd like. You can go to the page you linked and click "neo-Nazi," in the first sentence and read all about that.
SenAnder 3y ago
> This tough lesson was taught by AFA Sweden, a group of Stockholm-based anti-fascists, who ruined thousands of the site customers' holidays by releasing Midgård’s customer register. The article omits it, but AFA Sweden has a very violent history, including arson, attacking judges, politicians, and threatening elected officials [1]. That gives their comments [2] a much more threatening tone than the abstract, lukewarm generalities the article conjures up. "Enterprising" the subtitle calls them. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifascistisk_Aktion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifascistisk_Aktion [2] “We are continuously working with people on the list, [..] When it comes to the people on the list the goal is always to give no alternative but to leave the movement or make it impossible to stay active.”

5 points by coloneltcb 3y ago

Everybody who said "doxxing is bad" in regards to the students who had their "sign onto public statements" become a little more public than they wanted last month, will surely be leaping to point out how much worse this case is. > "you can never expect to be anonymous in the Swedish fascist movement. ... It is better to contact us if you want to move on with your life than hope that we forget, because we never forget.” Hm. That sounds like that might actually be classifiable as "blackmail," doesn't it? Certainly an effort at intimidation. What's the "Hate Speech" laws got to say about that?

plagiarist 3y ago
Those people may have meant more like, "doxxing is bad when it happens to people who aren't plotting how to commit genocide." I guess they should have been more specific?
- SenAnder 3y ago
  Given that AFA Sweden has attacked immigration judges, does "genocide" here mean simply "reducing immigration"?
  - plagiarist 3y ago
    In this context I believe "plotting genocide" probably refers to the participation in an explicitly white supremacist / Nazi organization. But you knew that, which is why you felt the need to introduce a totally separate situation to argue about.
    - SenAnder 3y ago
      By "participation in a Nazi organization", do you mean buying stuff from a Nazi online shop? And the "totally separate situation" is this same antifascist organization's target selection? But no, let's return to the original claim - we are to believe every one (or at least most) of the doxing victims were "plotting genocide", they weren't just trying to stop immigration to Sweden? Based on what? Even the Nordic Resistance Movement [1], the only far-right terrorist organization mentioned in the article, and which this online shop is merely "linked to" (according to AFA Sweden), are only against immigration - their wiki page has zero mentions of genocide or expansionism. If we applied these skewed "standards" to the AFA itself, they would also be plotting genocide, a mass famine to break Sweden's national resistance, akin to the Holodomor. But of course the guilt by association and demonization only ever go one way. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Resistance_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Resistance_Movement
      - plagiarist 3y ago
        Their wiki page describes them as neo-Nazis in the lead sentence. You have completely lost it. No, neo-Nazis, nor people "merely" linking to neo-Nazis, nor people "just asking questions," none of them are covered by the same social contract that makes doxxing students wrong. When people decide to break the social contract by choosing Naziism, they are no longer covered.
        SenAnder 3y ago
        You have still not substantiated that the Nordic Resistance Movement is advocating for genocide, let alone this web retailer that is (allegedly, by the left-wing organization that attacks judges and politicians) linked to this movement, let alone their customers, which is who you originally accused of advocating genocide. This is three layers of guilt by association, and you have not substantiated even one.
        plagiarist 3y ago
        You have done it for me by linking to a source describing them as neo-Nazis. You may continue on to the Wiki page on neo-Nazis to familiarize yourself with their ideology, if you'd like. You can go to the page you linked and click "neo-Nazi," in the first sentence and read all about that.

SenAnder 3y ago

> This tough lesson was taught by AFA Sweden, a group of Stockholm-based anti-fascists, who ruined thousands of the site customers' holidays by releasing Midgård’s customer register. The article omits it, but AFA Sweden has a very violent history, including arson, attacking judges, politicians, and threatening elected officials [1]. That gives their comments [2] a much more threatening tone than the abstract, lukewarm generalities the article conjures up. "Enterprising" the subtitle calls them. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifascistisk_Aktion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifascistisk_Aktion [2] “We are continuously working with people on the list, [..] When it comes to the people on the list the goal is always to give no alternative but to leave the movement or make it impossible to stay active.”