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> This follows from HN's core principle* because curiosity and battle can't be active at the same time. Does HN have a policy against epistemic soundness in cl

> This follows from HN's core principle* because curiosity and battle can't be active at the same time. Does HN have a policy against epistemic soundness in claims? Because if there is a method that is maximally useful for these sorts of issues, it is disciplined epistemology. Yet, I know of no explicit policy on it, but I have been subjected to scolding for practicing it, suggesting there is an implicit policy, at least to some degree (perhaps only on some topics, who knows). Or, an error has been made....which once again is an epistemological matter. If people refuse to even try to utilize the tools that exist, and discussion of that phenomenon is disallowed, it may not be optimal game play....and sometimes, suboptimal gameplay results in large quantities of death. Is curiosity about that a good thing? (And yes, I do realize that the culture we've been raised in has taught us that statements like mine "are" necessarily "in bad faith", though mine is not actually.)

dang 3y ago
I'm afraid I don't understand your comment, nor what you mean by epistemic soundness, but I'm pretty sure HN has no policy against it.
- mistermann 3y ago
  > what you mean by epistemic soundness This, for starters: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-epistemic/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-epistemic/ You know that word "is" you use now and then? That word is fundamentally based in epistemology. > and sometimes, suboptimal gameplay results in large quantities of death. Is curiosity about that a good thing? Do you understand that part? I will add some clarity: by "suboptimal gameplay", I am referring to the individual and collective behaviour of human beings, as it relates to causality (the consequences of our behaviour). I am basically asking what HN's stance is on being curious about "large" quantities of (at least plausibly) unnecessary human death.
  - dang 3y ago
    I'm sorry but I don't understand that. Are you asking about how one can possibly be "curious" in the face of a catastrophe like this, and what that even means? I think that's a legit question. If curiosity means a detached-technical attitude, that is not an appropriate response to this topic and could in some forms even be monstrous. But that's not what I mean here. What I do mean, I tried to describe at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38616823 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38616823 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38616662 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38616662. It has to do with being open to others.
    - mistermann 3y ago
      > Are you asking about how one can possibly be "curious" in the face of a catastrophe like this, and what that even means? I am asking: can you be curious about whether it may have be possible for these (and future) deaths to be avoided, had some humans acted differently than they had? I suspect this may seem like a very strange question, and I propose that that is an artifact of the problem. > If curiosity means a detached-technical attitude, that is not an appropriate response to this topic... Here you are representing a subjective belief as knowledge, on a matter where people's lives are at stake. Can you be curious about whether this approach as a moderator on a website frequented by some of the most powerful minds on the planet may be preventing lives from being saved, or whether it is part of the underlying causality of why these powerful minds can't keep it together when discussing topics like this (which may also contribute to the causality underlying deaths)?
      - __blockcipher__ 3y ago
        As a random bystander I find your comments extremely hard to comprehend. It's not really the vocabulary, although it could do to be less lofty. I think part of it is sentences like this: > Can you be curious about whether this approach as a moderator on a website frequented by some of the most powerful minds on the planet may be preventing lives from being saved? This sounds to me, and maybe I'm wrong, like you have some sort of pre-formed opinion about what Dang et al are doing, but are choosing to cast it in the lens of "can you be curious" as a way of avoiding just directly saying what you think.

dang 3y ago

I'm afraid I don't understand your comment, nor what you mean by epistemic soundness, but I'm pretty sure HN has no policy against it.

mistermann 3y ago
> what you mean by epistemic soundness This, for starters: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-epistemic/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-epistemic/ You know that word "is" you use now and then? That word is fundamentally based in epistemology. > and sometimes, suboptimal gameplay results in large quantities of death. Is curiosity about that a good thing? Do you understand that part? I will add some clarity: by "suboptimal gameplay", I am referring to the individual and collective behaviour of human beings, as it relates to causality (the consequences of our behaviour). I am basically asking what HN's stance is on being curious about "large" quantities of (at least plausibly) unnecessary human death.
- dang 3y ago
  I'm sorry but I don't understand that. Are you asking about how one can possibly be "curious" in the face of a catastrophe like this, and what that even means? I think that's a legit question. If curiosity means a detached-technical attitude, that is not an appropriate response to this topic and could in some forms even be monstrous. But that's not what I mean here. What I do mean, I tried to describe at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38616823 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38616823 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38616662 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38616662. It has to do with being open to others.
  - mistermann 3y ago
    > Are you asking about how one can possibly be "curious" in the face of a catastrophe like this, and what that even means? I am asking: can you be curious about whether it may have be possible for these (and future) deaths to be avoided, had some humans acted differently than they had? I suspect this may seem like a very strange question, and I propose that that is an artifact of the problem. > If curiosity means a detached-technical attitude, that is not an appropriate response to this topic... Here you are representing a subjective belief as knowledge, on a matter where people's lives are at stake. Can you be curious about whether this approach as a moderator on a website frequented by some of the most powerful minds on the planet may be preventing lives from being saved, or whether it is part of the underlying causality of why these powerful minds can't keep it together when discussing topics like this (which may also contribute to the causality underlying deaths)?
    - __blockcipher__ 3y ago
      As a random bystander I find your comments extremely hard to comprehend. It's not really the vocabulary, although it could do to be less lofty. I think part of it is sentences like this: > Can you be curious about whether this approach as a moderator on a website frequented by some of the most powerful minds on the planet may be preventing lives from being saved? This sounds to me, and maybe I'm wrong, like you have some sort of pre-formed opinion about what Dang et al are doing, but are choosing to cast it in the lens of "can you be curious" as a way of avoiding just directly saying what you think.