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Such an unhelpful answer. You assume parent is one of the ones casting votes for those politicians? You seem to assume that there’s even a politician on the tic

Such an unhelpful answer. You assume parent is one of the ones casting votes for those politicians? You seem to assume that there’s even a politician on the ticket that’s worthy of the vote on this issue.

ProllyInfamous 3y ago
>You seem to assume that there’s even a politician on the ticket that’s worthy of the vote on this issue. Tennessee also recently enacted legislation OUTLAWING RANKed-CHOICE VOTING [after Memphis attempted such voting], thus ensuring only two-party electorate; and for the foreseeable future. This state HATES its constituency, beyond anything more than their "fair" votes.
- bigstrat2003 3y ago
  > This state HATES its constituency, beyond anything more than their "fair" votes. Before you can say that, I think first you have to show that most of the voters in TN want ranked choice voting. In my experience many people do not want it, because they feel it is unfair and that it amounts to getting multiple votes. And before anyone argues at me about "that isn't what RCV means", you're preaching to the choir. I am 100% for using some form of RCV instead of FPTP voting. But if it turns out most of the people in TN favor FPTP, then their representatives are simply doing their job on behalf of the people. I don't know if that's the case, but it wouldn't surprise me based on past experience.
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- rpmisms 3y ago
  That's a fair bit of rhetoric, but we're pretty much a single-party state. New York is about as hard blue as we are hard red, and they despise their citizens. At least here I have more freedom and less taxes.
  - BobaFloutist 3y ago
    more freedom Unless you want to start a city-run ISP.
    - rpmisms 3y ago
      Yeah, mine is owned by the state instead, dirt cheap. I can do more things with fewer restrictions, I have more freedom. Anyway, I have to put together the gun I 3d printed, take my completely unregistered truck to church, then maybe go hunting without a license, then come home to my house where I pay $400 a year in property taxes. All legal.
      - ProllyInfamous 3y ago
        Are you telling me that here in Tennessee, I can drive my unregistered truck on public roads, as long as the destination is a church? You definitely do need a license to hunt in this state, even on your own private land. There are even defined seasons (except for invasives). $400/yr/tax is probably a singlewide, but I do agree that property taxes here are low (and thus our education pays 43rd in the country to teachers). I'm genuinely curious about the truck-to-church thingy, though — as I do truly have an unregistered pickup truck (I have insurance, just no title).
        rpmisms 3y ago
        1. Farm tags exist, but only in some counties. Destinations can be church, groceries, or farm purposes. 2. False. On your own land (or land owned by family), you just need to follow season and report harvest. Check TWRA site. 3. 2k sqft and 5 acres. I'm in the mid-sticks, but yes, our property taxes are excellent.
        ProllyInfamous 3y ago
        1. I would say this interpretation is "quite a stretch" [e.g. FARM tags typically only for >6000lb class, but okay]; in attempting further research it does seem that any vehicle (with four or more wheels), even with specific no intention or minimal roadway use, still MUST be registered within Tennessee (e.g. TDR-sticker program) — of course presuming no farm plate availability (e.g. weight class, county). I am mainly asking because I have a Tacoma (that I've insured for almost two years now) which I cannot register because the probate executive is too disrespectful to fulfill his duties... and live in Tennesse... and really only drive to get groceries and between properties (as a beekeeper, still inelgibile for farm tag/plate). 2) See citation, but basically "you still have to get permission, yes." 3: Awesome, dude, it must be way undervalued =D Alabama is "just a stone's throw away" and the property taxes there make Tenn (and TEX!) seem like highway robbery. 4: Have a great day! 1: https://www.tn.gov/content/tn/revenue/title-and-registration/vehicle-registration/off-highway-vehicles.html https://www.tn.gov/content/tn/revenue/title-and-registration... 2: "Landowner License Exemption: Persons hunting without a license under a farmland owner exemption must complete and sign a statement attesting where the property is located and how this land qualifies for a landowner exemption before hunting"
poulsbohemian 3y ago
I can't speak for Tennessee, but I bet it's like most parts of the country. In my county we have something on the order of 37000 voters. Roughly 6000 voted in the last election. I ran two different campaigns and that meant our win number was just north of 3000. We have a relatively small population under 50 -- and none of them vote. Almost every problem in my county - housing, limited job prospects, etc -- can be traced to the morons that are in office. So, I'm recruiting the heck out of candidates, rebuilding the infrastructure to get them elected, running campaigns, etc. So yeah, the parent poster isn't wrong - you gotta get people out to vote, but you are right to that you've got to be a force for change in the overall system too. EDIT: Realized I should have noted that while we have 37000 voters, our population is around 62000... so even getting people registered to vote is a major need.
- ProllyInfamous 3y ago
  It got SO BAD [the corruption] recently that our city/county (Chatt/Hamilton Co.) elected mayors/DAs that only recently began gray-hairing. From memory, the ages went from averaging 60 to 45. I'm not even 40, and one of our best local judges is my age!
- nebula8804 3y ago
  How much of that population of 62000 are people eligible to vote? Each district in the US should have 700k people. Now back in the day it used to be like 250k but efforts to water down the power of the house in favor of the senate have led to 700k. There has got to be a percentage of people who cannot vote due to age/citizen status/etc.

ProllyInfamous 3y ago

>You seem to assume that there’s even a politician on the ticket that’s worthy of the vote on this issue. Tennessee also recently enacted legislation OUTLAWING RANKed-CHOICE VOTING [after Memphis attempted such voting], thus ensuring only two-party electorate; and for the foreseeable future. This state HATES its constituency, beyond anything more than their "fair" votes.

bigstrat2003 3y ago
> This state HATES its constituency, beyond anything more than their "fair" votes. Before you can say that, I think first you have to show that most of the voters in TN want ranked choice voting. In my experience many people do not want it, because they feel it is unfair and that it amounts to getting multiple votes. And before anyone argues at me about "that isn't what RCV means", you're preaching to the choir. I am 100% for using some form of RCV instead of FPTP voting. But if it turns out most of the people in TN favor FPTP, then their representatives are simply doing their job on behalf of the people. I don't know if that's the case, but it wouldn't surprise me based on past experience.
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rpmisms 3y ago
That's a fair bit of rhetoric, but we're pretty much a single-party state. New York is about as hard blue as we are hard red, and they despise their citizens. At least here I have more freedom and less taxes.
- BobaFloutist 3y ago
  more freedom Unless you want to start a city-run ISP.
  - rpmisms 3y ago
    Yeah, mine is owned by the state instead, dirt cheap. I can do more things with fewer restrictions, I have more freedom. Anyway, I have to put together the gun I 3d printed, take my completely unregistered truck to church, then maybe go hunting without a license, then come home to my house where I pay $400 a year in property taxes. All legal.
    - ProllyInfamous 3y ago
      Are you telling me that here in Tennessee, I can drive my unregistered truck on public roads, as long as the destination is a church? You definitely do need a license to hunt in this state, even on your own private land. There are even defined seasons (except for invasives). $400/yr/tax is probably a singlewide, but I do agree that property taxes here are low (and thus our education pays 43rd in the country to teachers). I'm genuinely curious about the truck-to-church thingy, though — as I do truly have an unregistered pickup truck (I have insurance, just no title).
      - rpmisms 3y ago
        1. Farm tags exist, but only in some counties. Destinations can be church, groceries, or farm purposes. 2. False. On your own land (or land owned by family), you just need to follow season and report harvest. Check TWRA site. 3. 2k sqft and 5 acres. I'm in the mid-sticks, but yes, our property taxes are excellent.
        ProllyInfamous 3y ago
        1. I would say this interpretation is "quite a stretch" [e.g. FARM tags typically only for >6000lb class, but okay]; in attempting further research it does seem that any vehicle (with four or more wheels), even with specific no intention or minimal roadway use, still MUST be registered within Tennessee (e.g. TDR-sticker program) — of course presuming no farm plate availability (e.g. weight class, county). I am mainly asking because I have a Tacoma (that I've insured for almost two years now) which I cannot register because the probate executive is too disrespectful to fulfill his duties... and live in Tennesse... and really only drive to get groceries and between properties (as a beekeeper, still inelgibile for farm tag/plate). 2) See citation, but basically "you still have to get permission, yes." 3: Awesome, dude, it must be way undervalued =D Alabama is "just a stone's throw away" and the property taxes there make Tenn (and TEX!) seem like highway robbery. 4: Have a great day! 1: https://www.tn.gov/content/tn/revenue/title-and-registration/vehicle-registration/off-highway-vehicles.html https://www.tn.gov/content/tn/revenue/title-and-registration... 2: "Landowner License Exemption: Persons hunting without a license under a farmland owner exemption must complete and sign a statement attesting where the property is located and how this land qualifies for a landowner exemption before hunting"

poulsbohemian 3y ago

I can't speak for Tennessee, but I bet it's like most parts of the country. In my county we have something on the order of 37000 voters. Roughly 6000 voted in the last election. I ran two different campaigns and that meant our win number was just north of 3000. We have a relatively small population under 50 -- and none of them vote. Almost every problem in my county - housing, limited job prospects, etc -- can be traced to the morons that are in office. So, I'm recruiting the heck out of candidates, rebuilding the infrastructure to get them elected, running campaigns, etc. So yeah, the parent poster isn't wrong - you gotta get people out to vote, but you are right to that you've got to be a force for change in the overall system too. EDIT: Realized I should have noted that while we have 37000 voters, our population is around 62000... so even getting people registered to vote is a major need.

ProllyInfamous 3y ago
It got SO BAD [the corruption] recently that our city/county (Chatt/Hamilton Co.) elected mayors/DAs that only recently began gray-hairing. From memory, the ages went from averaging 60 to 45. I'm not even 40, and one of our best local judges is my age!
nebula8804 3y ago
How much of that population of 62000 are people eligible to vote? Each district in the US should have 700k people. Now back in the day it used to be like 250k but efforts to water down the power of the house in favor of the senate have led to 700k. There has got to be a percentage of people who cannot vote due to age/citizen status/etc.