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This is terrible. Turbulence is the only time on a flight where adults behave like adults [1]. Even their sphincters pucker preventing them from degassing. "No

This is terrible. Turbulence is the only time on a flight where adults behave like adults [1]. Even their sphincters pucker preventing them from degassing. "Nobody likes to fly through turbulence" Thats not true! There are dozens of us! (Actually, quite a big more, I read a stat that we're about 5% of the fliers) [1] kids be kids, of course - as a kid I once ran up and down the aisle during take off, so Im cool w/ kids.

furyofantares 3y ago
My wife has a fear of flying but she likes some mild turbulence. It helps her sense that flying is a physically sensible thing, not some magical thing that shouldn't work.
- thsksbd 3y ago
  Yea, but a quick prayer on take off/landing is not unwarranted. Normalized by journey instead of mile, flying is more dangerous than driving (according to Wikipedia anyway).
  - travisjungroth 3y ago
    That transport comparisons table puts it at 3x per trip. This is like praying for your safety because you’re going into work and stopping for groceries on the way home. There have been five fatalities of US airline passengers in the last 10 years. That’s billions of passengers. It’s incredibly safe.
    - thsksbd 3y ago
      So is driving. You're exceedingly unlikely to be in a mortal accident driving. Those rates plummet further if you don't drink.
      - CyberDildonics 3y ago
        "A total of 42,939 people died in motor vehicle crashes in 2021. These deaths occurred in 39,508 crashes involving 61,332 motor vehicles. This was a 10 percent increase in deaths compared with 2020." https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/yearly-snapshot https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/yearl... When you say driving is also safe, it doesn't really seem like a reasonable comparison when 85,878 died in motor vehicle crashes for every 1 person that died from flying.
        hinkley 3y ago
        I think these need to be unpacked and the IIHS data is missing a couple metrics. Right now the FAA is bragging about serving 2.9 million passengers a day. I had no idea it was that high. That’s almost 1% of the population. The IIHS death rate works out in the neighborhood of 1 in 8-10k. But I think that’s per driver, not per trip. So we are stuck on the per trip bit again. Meanwhile 5 fatalities in 10 years (~3652 days) is less than 10.5 billion person trips (assuming passenger rates climb over time) which is around 1 in 2 billion. So unless we are living in a statistical fluke that’s about two orders of magnitude off.
        thsksbd 3y ago
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_safety https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_safety It has a chart normalizing by trip. Someone posted this on HM a few days ago. Also, the statistical difficulties of this, and therefore large error, are significant. I see at least two: 1. 5 fatalities in ten years in the US neglects the 346 fatalities of passengers who died in two 737 Max flights before being recalled - flight deaths that, being 100% Boeing's fault, aren't on the US' tally by stat fluke (lookin at you Southwest). 2. actually its not luck that the hundreds of 737 dead didn't end up in the US' tally. Airline deaths are rare enough that there are not enough flights to sample the death rate properly.
        thsksbd 3y ago
        So you normalize car deaths by plane deaths and not by mile (plane wins) or journey (car wins). I appreciate your dedication to dimensionless numbers, but that's kinda weird. There are orders of magnitude more driving than flying by mile and number of journeys. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_safety https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_safety Scroll down to "transport comparison" and look at the journey normalization.
    - thsksbd 3y ago
      The 346 people who died in Boeing 737 Max aren't in the US' tally because of sampling error, not because those accidents could not have happened in the US. Safety calculations are hard.
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  - furyofantares 3y ago
    I'm not sure how this reply relates to my post, which didn't mention prayer at all. You can pray for a good parking spot for all I care, it's really none of my business.
    - thsksbd 3y ago
      It was rhetorical device to make light that flying is not risk free, particularly landings and takeoffs after V1.
- BobaFloutist 3y ago
  That kind of makes sense, it's like how rock-climbing on a rope is scary until you actually fall (or descend) and can feel the tension of the rope actually supporting you. Even on a gut level, feeling the plane bounce against the "road" gives you a confirmation that, yes, in fact, it is bouncing against something (even if that something is just air under the wings).
terryf 3y ago
Yes! Glad to see someone else who also enjoys the turbulence! Flights are boring, the rocking around is fun!
chankstein38 3y ago
I agree, turbulence can be a fun experience! It gets old but for a while the rush is great!
FridgeSeal 3y ago
Turbulence-enjoyer reporting in! It’s good fun, little injection of adrenaline into an otherwise probably-uneventful journey!

furyofantares 3y ago

My wife has a fear of flying but she likes some mild turbulence. It helps her sense that flying is a physically sensible thing, not some magical thing that shouldn't work.

thsksbd 3y ago
Yea, but a quick prayer on take off/landing is not unwarranted. Normalized by journey instead of mile, flying is more dangerous than driving (according to Wikipedia anyway).
- travisjungroth 3y ago
  That transport comparisons table puts it at 3x per trip. This is like praying for your safety because you’re going into work and stopping for groceries on the way home. There have been five fatalities of US airline passengers in the last 10 years. That’s billions of passengers. It’s incredibly safe.
  - thsksbd 3y ago
    So is driving. You're exceedingly unlikely to be in a mortal accident driving. Those rates plummet further if you don't drink.
    - CyberDildonics 3y ago
      "A total of 42,939 people died in motor vehicle crashes in 2021. These deaths occurred in 39,508 crashes involving 61,332 motor vehicles. This was a 10 percent increase in deaths compared with 2020." https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/yearly-snapshot https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/yearl... When you say driving is also safe, it doesn't really seem like a reasonable comparison when 85,878 died in motor vehicle crashes for every 1 person that died from flying.
      - hinkley 3y ago
        I think these need to be unpacked and the IIHS data is missing a couple metrics. Right now the FAA is bragging about serving 2.9 million passengers a day. I had no idea it was that high. That’s almost 1% of the population. The IIHS death rate works out in the neighborhood of 1 in 8-10k. But I think that’s per driver, not per trip. So we are stuck on the per trip bit again. Meanwhile 5 fatalities in 10 years (~3652 days) is less than 10.5 billion person trips (assuming passenger rates climb over time) which is around 1 in 2 billion. So unless we are living in a statistical fluke that’s about two orders of magnitude off.
        thsksbd 3y ago
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_safety https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_safety It has a chart normalizing by trip. Someone posted this on HM a few days ago. Also, the statistical difficulties of this, and therefore large error, are significant. I see at least two: 1. 5 fatalities in ten years in the US neglects the 346 fatalities of passengers who died in two 737 Max flights before being recalled - flight deaths that, being 100% Boeing's fault, aren't on the US' tally by stat fluke (lookin at you Southwest). 2. actually its not luck that the hundreds of 737 dead didn't end up in the US' tally. Airline deaths are rare enough that there are not enough flights to sample the death rate properly.
      - thsksbd 3y ago
        So you normalize car deaths by plane deaths and not by mile (plane wins) or journey (car wins). I appreciate your dedication to dimensionless numbers, but that's kinda weird. There are orders of magnitude more driving than flying by mile and number of journeys. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_safety https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_safety Scroll down to "transport comparison" and look at the journey normalization.
  - thsksbd 3y ago
    The 346 people who died in Boeing 737 Max aren't in the US' tally because of sampling error, not because those accidents could not have happened in the US. Safety calculations are hard.
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- furyofantares 3y ago
  I'm not sure how this reply relates to my post, which didn't mention prayer at all. You can pray for a good parking spot for all I care, it's really none of my business.
  - thsksbd 3y ago
    It was rhetorical device to make light that flying is not risk free, particularly landings and takeoffs after V1.
BobaFloutist 3y ago
That kind of makes sense, it's like how rock-climbing on a rope is scary until you actually fall (or descend) and can feel the tension of the rope actually supporting you. Even on a gut level, feeling the plane bounce against the "road" gives you a confirmation that, yes, in fact, it is bouncing against something (even if that something is just air under the wings).

terryf 3y ago

Yes! Glad to see someone else who also enjoys the turbulence! Flights are boring, the rocking around is fun!

chankstein38 3y ago

I agree, turbulence can be a fun experience! It gets old but for a while the rush is great!

FridgeSeal 3y ago

Turbulence-enjoyer reporting in! It’s good fun, little injection of adrenaline into an otherwise probably-uneventful journey!