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And how does that translate to lower pay in your mind?

filoleg 3y ago
Each hired person carries massively more potential cost to the employer, due to the employer being unable to do much if the employee does things like watch porn on their work equipment, sabotage the company’s tech infrastructure before leaving, or just plainly suck at their job. That extra potential cost has to be paid from somewhere, which is typically coming from the total compensation, which translates to lower factual pay. Kind of like how working in software dev as a contractor typically nets you more raw money than working in a comparable role doing a similar job for someone else. However, as a contractor you are responsible for paying for things like health insurance yourself. As a hired employee, you will typically have those things provided to you by your employer, but you will get paid less in raw money, because those things get priced into your salary (sidenote: which your employer probably has a discount rate for anyway, so even if it was paid out to you in cash and you paid your own insurance, you would have had net less money, so it is kind of a comparative win-win for both sides here). For me personally as an employee, I would rather my employer be able to fire me for watching porn on my work equipment or be able to go after me for intentionally sabotaging company’s infra. Because I do not plan on doing either of those things, so just having that extra money in exchange for not being able to do those things unpunished is the easy choice, personally.
- ffgjgf1 3y ago
  > due to the employer being unable to do much if the employee does things like watch porn on their work equipment, sabotage the company’s tech infrastructure before leaving, Except that’s not really true throughout most of Europe. Yes firing someone for sucking at their job might be more expensive. All the other stuff? Not really, as long as you can prove it
  - filoleg 3y ago
    That’s good to know, thanks for clarifying. I am not from EU, so I was mostly going off the comment in this thread that was lamenting how “terrible” employment in the US due to employees being easily fireable for watching porn on employer-provided equipment. What you said makes it sound way more reasonable.

Each hired person carries massively more potential cost to the employer, due to the employer being unable to do much if the employee does things like watch porn on their work equipment, sabotage the company’s tech infrastructure before leaving, or just plainly suck at their job. That extra potential cost has to be paid from somewhere, which is typically coming from the total compensation, which translates to lower factual pay. Kind of like how working in software dev as a contractor typically nets you more raw money than working in a comparable role doing a similar job for someone else. However, as a contractor you are responsible for paying for things like health insurance yourself. As a hired employee, you will typically have those things provided to you by your employer, but you will get paid less in raw money, because those things get priced into your salary (sidenote: which your employer probably has a discount rate for anyway, so even if it was paid out to you in cash and you paid your own insurance, you would have had net less money, so it is kind of a comparative win-win for both sides here). For me personally as an employee, I would rather my employer be able to fire me for watching porn on my work equipment or be able to go after me for intentionally sabotaging company’s infra. Because I do not plan on doing either of those things, so just having that extra money in exchange for not being able to do those things unpunished is the easy choice, personally.

ffgjgf1 3y ago
> due to the employer being unable to do much if the employee does things like watch porn on their work equipment, sabotage the company’s tech infrastructure before leaving, Except that’s not really true throughout most of Europe. Yes firing someone for sucking at their job might be more expensive. All the other stuff? Not really, as long as you can prove it
- filoleg 3y ago
  That’s good to know, thanks for clarifying. I am not from EU, so I was mostly going off the comment in this thread that was lamenting how “terrible” employment in the US due to employees being easily fireable for watching porn on employer-provided equipment. What you said makes it sound way more reasonable.