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Stigmatization has been proven to work with tobacco. I don't see any reason why branding those that use meth, heroin or ethanol as absolute losers and stupid un

by Ekaros 3y ago

Stigmatization has been proven to work with tobacco. I don't see any reason why branding those that use meth, heroin or ethanol as absolute losers and stupid uncool people wouldn't work either.

ReptileMan 3y ago
Well ethanol in the right doses actually makes you cool - introverts do need couple of beers to get in touch with their social daredevil. Also alcohol is tasty.
- Ekaros 3y ago
  And that is exactly the sort of picture that we should as society to aim to destroy. It might take a generation or two. But I believe with hard work we could get there.
  - cthalupa 3y ago
    Why do you have this particular crusade against alcohol? If you're wanting to curb ingestion of things that cause harm to the human body, sugar is a far bigger killer in the western world than booze.
    - Ekaros 3y ago
      Because I hate hypocrisy. Either ban nothing or ban it all. Not this stupid in between. Either prohibition works perfectly and we can also ban ethanol, or it does not work at all and we should just go ahead and legalize everything and treat everything equally.
      - cthalupa 3y ago
        I am of the opinion that legalization is one of the steps needed to really solve the drug problem. I think it's not the only one because it only truly solves certain parts of the issue, on the harm reduction front. Just having public health facilities available for users doesn't do anything either if they're not going to them. Extended, proactive, pervasive engagement with those users in a way that helps them climb out of the hole they've ended up in is also key.
cthalupa 3y ago
People that are addicted to fentanyl are already in a situation where they are past caring (or able to act on that caring) about society as thinking of them as losers. Every opioid addict I have met is ashamed of their habits already.
- tivert 3y ago
  >> Stigmatization has been proven to work with tobacco. I don't see any reason why branding those that use meth, heroin or ethanol as absolute losers and stupid uncool people wouldn't work either. > People that are addicted to fentanyl are already in a situation where they are past caring (or able to act on that caring) about society as thinking of them as losers. Maybe stigmatization is not a tactic to help existing addicts, but rather to discourage other people from getting to that state?
  - cthalupa 3y ago
    I have never met anyone who has become an opioid addict because they thought it was a cool and fun thing to do. Every single one of them has been because they had gotten addicted when on prescribed medication or because their lot in life had gotten so terrible that they needed an escape far greater than alcohol to cope with it. My understanding is that the science aligns with my anecdotal experience, e.g. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5846593/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5846593/ It's not like pot or shrooms or similar. People aren't doing it for fun or to broaden their mind.

by Ekaros 3y ago

Stigmatization has been proven to work with tobacco. I don't see any reason why branding those that use meth, heroin or ethanol as absolute losers and stupid uncool people wouldn't work either.

ReptileMan 3y ago

Well ethanol in the right doses actually makes you cool - introverts do need couple of beers to get in touch with their social daredevil. Also alcohol is tasty.

Ekaros 3y ago
And that is exactly the sort of picture that we should as society to aim to destroy. It might take a generation or two. But I believe with hard work we could get there.
- cthalupa 3y ago
  Why do you have this particular crusade against alcohol? If you're wanting to curb ingestion of things that cause harm to the human body, sugar is a far bigger killer in the western world than booze.
  - Ekaros 3y ago
    Because I hate hypocrisy. Either ban nothing or ban it all. Not this stupid in between. Either prohibition works perfectly and we can also ban ethanol, or it does not work at all and we should just go ahead and legalize everything and treat everything equally.
    - cthalupa 3y ago
      I am of the opinion that legalization is one of the steps needed to really solve the drug problem. I think it's not the only one because it only truly solves certain parts of the issue, on the harm reduction front. Just having public health facilities available for users doesn't do anything either if they're not going to them. Extended, proactive, pervasive engagement with those users in a way that helps them climb out of the hole they've ended up in is also key.

cthalupa 3y ago

People that are addicted to fentanyl are already in a situation where they are past caring (or able to act on that caring) about society as thinking of them as losers. Every opioid addict I have met is ashamed of their habits already.

tivert 3y ago
>> Stigmatization has been proven to work with tobacco. I don't see any reason why branding those that use meth, heroin or ethanol as absolute losers and stupid uncool people wouldn't work either. > People that are addicted to fentanyl are already in a situation where they are past caring (or able to act on that caring) about society as thinking of them as losers. Maybe stigmatization is not a tactic to help existing addicts, but rather to discourage other people from getting to that state?
- cthalupa 3y ago
  I have never met anyone who has become an opioid addict because they thought it was a cool and fun thing to do. Every single one of them has been because they had gotten addicted when on prescribed medication or because their lot in life had gotten so terrible that they needed an escape far greater than alcohol to cope with it. My understanding is that the science aligns with my anecdotal experience, e.g. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5846593/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5846593/ It's not like pot or shrooms or similar. People aren't doing it for fun or to broaden their mind.