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> It's perfectly reasonable for regulators to adopt a "wait and see" approach to outlandish claims about safety and self-driving technology No, it is not. If t

by sofixa 3y ago

> It's perfectly reasonable for regulators to adopt a "wait and see" approach to outlandish claims about safety and self-driving technology No, it is not. If there are things that you do not "wait and see" with, it's safety out in the public. What's next, Boeing developing a new plane and rolling it out to the public without any sort of controls if it doesn't fall apart or try to crash itself because Boeing are negligently incompetent? Crypto, sure, what's the worst that could happen? Medical tests? Sure, as long as they're double checked initially. Juice making machines? Sure. Multi-ton vehicles that can easily maim or kill innocent bystanders? Hell no, why would you beta test that in public?

gizmo 3y ago
A Tesla Model 3 with FSD isn't a greater hazard on the road than a regular Ford F150, and we allow those.
- sofixa 3y ago
  > regular Ford F150, and we allow those And maybe you shouldn't, that thing has worse visibility than an actual tank. > Tesla Model 3 with FSD isn't a greater hazard on the road It's the same as with the Boeing MCAS really. Is the "F"SD capable of crashing the car into another car or pedestrians? What is its rate of failure? If the answer to the first question is yes, and the second isn't negligible, it has no place on public roads.
  - concordDance 3y ago
    Wrong question to ask. The actual question is whether the FSD car crashes more than the average alternative. That is what determines whether it should be allowed on the road, holding Tesla to a higher standard than all other manufacturers because you have a bad association with the brand would be ridiculous and petty.
brandonagr2 3y ago
It's absolutely so insane that regulators would allow a vehicle with more advanced cruise control be used on public roads when previously there were never any crashes or injuries. Weren't things so much better before Tesla came along and invented adaptive cruise?
concordDance 3y ago
You allow testing in public because currently there are tens of thousands of people dying every year and reducing the time before everyone has safe self driving by even a single year will save ten thousand lives. So unless you think this policy will actually kill many thousands of people or think that banning public testing won't slow down self driving by at least a year then we should allow public testing.

by sofixa 3y ago

gizmo 3y ago

A Tesla Model 3 with FSD isn't a greater hazard on the road than a regular Ford F150, and we allow those.

sofixa 3y ago
> regular Ford F150, and we allow those And maybe you shouldn't, that thing has worse visibility than an actual tank. > Tesla Model 3 with FSD isn't a greater hazard on the road It's the same as with the Boeing MCAS really. Is the "F"SD capable of crashing the car into another car or pedestrians? What is its rate of failure? If the answer to the first question is yes, and the second isn't negligible, it has no place on public roads.
- concordDance 3y ago
  Wrong question to ask. The actual question is whether the FSD car crashes more than the average alternative. That is what determines whether it should be allowed on the road, holding Tesla to a higher standard than all other manufacturers because you have a bad association with the brand would be ridiculous and petty.

brandonagr2 3y ago

It's absolutely so insane that regulators would allow a vehicle with more advanced cruise control be used on public roads when previously there were never any crashes or injuries. Weren't things so much better before Tesla came along and invented adaptive cruise?

concordDance 3y ago

You allow testing in public because currently there are tens of thousands of people dying every year and reducing the time before everyone has safe self driving by even a single year will save ten thousand lives. So unless you think this policy will actually kill many thousands of people or think that banning public testing won't slow down self driving by at least a year then we should allow public testing.