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you mean spying on American citizens without a warrant?

by 0ckpuppet 3y ago

WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
And spying on citizens not suspected of a crime.
- solardev 3y ago
  There's a potential subversive in each of us! Think of the kids! How will we stop school shootings if we don't spy on the terrorists before they spy on us? How will we know your shoe is unbombed? Freedom ain't free, you know.
- deleted 3y ago
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howmayiannoyyou 3y ago
That is NOT what 702 provides. 702 prohibits US citizens from being targeted (see: https://www.dni.gov/files/icotr/Section702-Basics-Infographic.pdf https://www.dni.gov/files/icotr/Section702-Basics-Infographi...)
- ibejoeb 3y ago
  In practice, it provides for parallel construction in order to conduct domestic surveillance of US citizens by bringing a secret action against a foreign correspondent.
  - kyboren 3y ago
    If the HPSCI version passes, it will be legal (and presumably, automatic) to target any non-citizen or permanent resident traveling to the US and search "one end foreign" 702 data on them. Of course, if they're traveling to the US, it's much more likely that they're communicating with Americans (e.g. visiting friends). Which means that scrutiny of Americans' conversations, swept up en masse, will dramatically increase. If that passes, tell your friends not to visit America. Because if they do, then all your conversations with them are totally fair game for secret government review.
- coolhand2120 3y ago
  Bwahahhahahahahahhhahhahaahhaahahahhahahahhahahhahhaahhaahhahahahahhhha No wait, you’re serious? Did you not watch the senate testimony? They have illegally spied on millions upon millions of Americans. For things as petty as “I think this girl likes me” or “I’ll show my father in law!”. No punishments much less termination or what you or I would face: jail. So yeah, that link is a joke. There are no protections against corrupt law enforcement.
  - INGSOCIALITE 3y ago
    absolute power corrupts absolutely there is no non-corrupt agency
  - instagib 3y ago
    Even if the local spying somehow stopped and the billions spent on data centers were shut down, we have the 5 eyes and many eyes programs to reinforce it. They have “legal” cover by some secret document. It’s easier to fool someone than tell them they were fooled.
- arminiusreturns 3y ago
  In the old days hackers knew about Echelon and how the five-eyes traded data back and forth so they both didn't "technically" break their own domestic spying laws.

you mean spying on American citizens without a warrant?

WarOnPrivacy 3y ago

And spying on citizens not suspected of a crime.

solardev 3y ago
There's a potential subversive in each of us! Think of the kids! How will we stop school shootings if we don't spy on the terrorists before they spy on us? How will we know your shoe is unbombed? Freedom ain't free, you know.
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howmayiannoyyou 3y ago

That is NOT what 702 provides. 702 prohibits US citizens from being targeted (see: https://www.dni.gov/files/icotr/Section702-Basics-Infographic.pdf https://www.dni.gov/files/icotr/Section702-Basics-Infographi...)

ibejoeb 3y ago
In practice, it provides for parallel construction in order to conduct domestic surveillance of US citizens by bringing a secret action against a foreign correspondent.
- kyboren 3y ago
  If the HPSCI version passes, it will be legal (and presumably, automatic) to target any non-citizen or permanent resident traveling to the US and search "one end foreign" 702 data on them. Of course, if they're traveling to the US, it's much more likely that they're communicating with Americans (e.g. visiting friends). Which means that scrutiny of Americans' conversations, swept up en masse, will dramatically increase. If that passes, tell your friends not to visit America. Because if they do, then all your conversations with them are totally fair game for secret government review.
coolhand2120 3y ago
Bwahahhahahahahahhhahhahaahhaahahahhahahahhahahhahhaahhaahhahahahahhhha No wait, you’re serious? Did you not watch the senate testimony? They have illegally spied on millions upon millions of Americans. For things as petty as “I think this girl likes me” or “I’ll show my father in law!”. No punishments much less termination or what you or I would face: jail. So yeah, that link is a joke. There are no protections against corrupt law enforcement.
- INGSOCIALITE 3y ago
  absolute power corrupts absolutely there is no non-corrupt agency
- instagib 3y ago
  Even if the local spying somehow stopped and the billions spent on data centers were shut down, we have the 5 eyes and many eyes programs to reinforce it. They have “legal” cover by some secret document. It’s easier to fool someone than tell them they were fooled.
arminiusreturns 3y ago
In the old days hackers knew about Echelon and how the five-eyes traded data back and forth so they both didn't "technically" break their own domestic spying laws.