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Anyone with a few hundred dollars can buy mics, steady cams, action cams and more off of amazon that would give them quality above the black and white or 16mm f

Anyone with a few hundred dollars can buy mics, steady cams, action cams and more off of amazon that would give them quality above the black and white or 16mm film that some directors started out on. Anyone could go and make their own clerks or reservoir dogs and some people are going out and trying. Where are all the incredible movies? Even forgetting the tools where are all the incredible scripts since everyone has access to books on script writing and a computer?

echelon 3y ago
We always debate this topic, CyberDildonics. You were wrong last time you debated me on AI porn. It's here [1, 2]. Movies are next. > Anyone with a few hundred dollars can buy mics, steady cams, action cams and more off of amazon that would give them quality above the black and white or 16mm film that some directors started out on. I've been down this path, and frankly it sucks. The task: tell a visual story. The current process: script, edit, break down with AD, location scout, secure filming rights to a location, go to a rental house and get equipment, get insurance, find camera crew that can handle it, rent lights, get gels, go to a prop house, pick props, rent props, transport props to set, set dec, run electrical, light set, do blocking, rehearse, film, retake, film, reset, capture photons, smear pixels around with an editing package for three months. This ceremony freaking sucks. It's so far divorced from the objective at hand, it's more primitive than punch cards, and nothing is reusable. I absolutely hate it. And I've always hated it. It needs to die. These steps have nothing to do with storytelling. It's vestigial and is an artifact of our primitive technologies. The task is to convey visual stories. Not to play dress up, logistics, and awkward gridded photon capture. Anyway, movies are next. I'll eat my hat if they're not. The current filmmaking process is as dumb as bloodletting. And it feels about the same. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32711614 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32711614 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35523656 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35523656
- CyberDildonics 3y ago
  Your links have nothing to do with what I'm asking. Also you predicted that websites that host porn would somehow go out of business which never happened. The current process: This is not the current process. Anyone can buy cameras, steady cam rigs and wireless mics from amazon then edit on a pc. Where are you getting this idea that anyone can't buy stuff on amazon and edit on their computer? Why aren't you answering the questions of why there isn't a glut of high quality scripts, sitcoms, tv shows and independent movies? At some point you will have to accept that these things are difficult and it isn't just about how easy it is to make images. Anyone can write a book or start a youtube channel, but that doesn't mean that anyone can do it well. The best people are still the best.
  - echelon 3y ago
    > Your links have nothing to do with what I'm asking. Also you predicted that websites that host porn would somehow go out of business which never happened. Just wait. Generating > hosting. > Where are you getting this idea that anyone can't buy stuff on amazon and edit on their computer? It's fucking difficult. > Why aren't you answering the questions of why there isn't a glut of high quality scripts, sitcoms, tv shows and independent movies? Because the US market can only bear a few thousand theatrical and television productions a year. There are more than a thousand directors that would love a shot to be greenlit, but the capital, personnel, and logistics inputs are too high. Compare to the number of software engineers, fan fiction authors, web comic authors, etc. > At some point you will have to accept that these things are difficult and it isn't just about how easy it is to make images. Momentary technological limitation. At some point in the future, our daydreams will become a live canvas we share with others in real time. We're getting there. That might be a long way off, but some of the next steps along the way include easy to use generative film tech. > The best people are still the best. You'll never know who could have been the best. The best director might have been bound by opportunity cost to earn money for their family working two jobs.
    - CyberDildonics 3y ago
      Just wait. Generating > hosting. You said your predictions came true in your last comment, now you're saying "just wait". If "generating > hosting" (whatever that means) why are all the companies making the most money the ones that host? It's fucking difficult. Anyone can buy stuff off of amazon and set it up. We can see that by how many people have youtube channels. Anyone could make their own movie and put it on youtube but we don't see much of that at all. You'll never know who could have been the best. You haven't confronted why we don't see the same stuff in scripts, novels, plays or other forms that don't take the same amount of effort. The truth is that it takes practice. It isn't about some innate ability as if there is a good will hunting cinematic genius sitting doing nothing because he doesn't have generative AI. Didn't you say "hollywood" would collapse in a year? (forgetting for a second that hollywood is a city and paramount is the only movie studio actually in hollywood)

echelon 3y ago

We always debate this topic, CyberDildonics. You were wrong last time you debated me on AI porn. It's here [1, 2]. Movies are next. > Anyone with a few hundred dollars can buy mics, steady cams, action cams and more off of amazon that would give them quality above the black and white or 16mm film that some directors started out on. I've been down this path, and frankly it sucks. The task: tell a visual story. The current process: script, edit, break down with AD, location scout, secure filming rights to a location, go to a rental house and get equipment, get insurance, find camera crew that can handle it, rent lights, get gels, go to a prop house, pick props, rent props, transport props to set, set dec, run electrical, light set, do blocking, rehearse, film, retake, film, reset, capture photons, smear pixels around with an editing package for three months. This ceremony freaking sucks. It's so far divorced from the objective at hand, it's more primitive than punch cards, and nothing is reusable. I absolutely hate it. And I've always hated it. It needs to die. These steps have nothing to do with storytelling. It's vestigial and is an artifact of our primitive technologies. The task is to convey visual stories. Not to play dress up, logistics, and awkward gridded photon capture. Anyway, movies are next. I'll eat my hat if they're not. The current filmmaking process is as dumb as bloodletting. And it feels about the same. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32711614 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32711614 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35523656 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35523656

CyberDildonics 3y ago
Your links have nothing to do with what I'm asking. Also you predicted that websites that host porn would somehow go out of business which never happened. The current process: This is not the current process. Anyone can buy cameras, steady cam rigs and wireless mics from amazon then edit on a pc. Where are you getting this idea that anyone can't buy stuff on amazon and edit on their computer? Why aren't you answering the questions of why there isn't a glut of high quality scripts, sitcoms, tv shows and independent movies? At some point you will have to accept that these things are difficult and it isn't just about how easy it is to make images. Anyone can write a book or start a youtube channel, but that doesn't mean that anyone can do it well. The best people are still the best.
- echelon 3y ago
  > Your links have nothing to do with what I'm asking. Also you predicted that websites that host porn would somehow go out of business which never happened. Just wait. Generating > hosting. > Where are you getting this idea that anyone can't buy stuff on amazon and edit on their computer? It's fucking difficult. > Why aren't you answering the questions of why there isn't a glut of high quality scripts, sitcoms, tv shows and independent movies? Because the US market can only bear a few thousand theatrical and television productions a year. There are more than a thousand directors that would love a shot to be greenlit, but the capital, personnel, and logistics inputs are too high. Compare to the number of software engineers, fan fiction authors, web comic authors, etc. > At some point you will have to accept that these things are difficult and it isn't just about how easy it is to make images. Momentary technological limitation. At some point in the future, our daydreams will become a live canvas we share with others in real time. We're getting there. That might be a long way off, but some of the next steps along the way include easy to use generative film tech. > The best people are still the best. You'll never know who could have been the best. The best director might have been bound by opportunity cost to earn money for their family working two jobs.
  - CyberDildonics 3y ago
    Just wait. Generating > hosting. You said your predictions came true in your last comment, now you're saying "just wait". If "generating > hosting" (whatever that means) why are all the companies making the most money the ones that host? It's fucking difficult. Anyone can buy stuff off of amazon and set it up. We can see that by how many people have youtube channels. Anyone could make their own movie and put it on youtube but we don't see much of that at all. You'll never know who could have been the best. You haven't confronted why we don't see the same stuff in scripts, novels, plays or other forms that don't take the same amount of effort. The truth is that it takes practice. It isn't about some innate ability as if there is a good will hunting cinematic genius sitting doing nothing because he doesn't have generative AI. Didn't you say "hollywood" would collapse in a year? (forgetting for a second that hollywood is a city and paramount is the only movie studio actually in hollywood)