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What does "legalize and regulate" mean? Isn't that true of most drugs? We are talking about what those regulations should be and what to do when people break t

What does "legalize and regulate" mean? Isn't that true of most drugs? We are talking about what those regulations should be and what to do when people break the regulations.

rjbwork 3y ago
Probably as many regulations as there are on alcohol or tobacco or pharmaceuticals (which I'm also not a fan of the doctor/pharmaceutical gated access to other drugs). If you produce it has to be pure, tested, not adulterated, with standards for production facilities. If you consume, only in particular establishments or at home, and you can't drive while under the influence. If someone breaks those regulations, then they face similar kinds of penalties as people who produce and consume alcohol would. I really do not understand why people do not draw the same conclusion as if we don't already have a terribly destructive drug that society has more or less made peace with.
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- chmod600 3y ago
  So you'd arrest all of the homeless addicts and put them in jail for consuming in an unapproved place?
  - amluto 3y ago
    If it’s genuinely dangerous for passersby when people are on the streets and have high doses of meth in them, then maybe? I don’t know nearly enough about the behavior of mentally ill homeless people and how it varies with addiction status and current meth levels, but I think there is no shortage of recent reports of dangerous addicts in various cities.
    - chmod600 3y ago
      You're the one who proposed the regulation ("particular establishments or at home"), and now you are already second-guessing whether it should actually be enforced (asking if it's "genuinely dangerous... maybe"). Regulation sounds good, but it doesn't just happen because it's written down. Enforcement is the messy part.
      - amluto 3y ago
        > You're the one who proposed the regulation ("particular establishments or at home") I am?
        chmod600 3y ago
        My mistake. My question stands, then: does "legalize and regulate" mean that there would be regulations preventing the stated problems in Portland, and that they'd be actually enforced? Or is it essentially just the same as plain legalization?
  - tomjen3 3y ago
    Why not? They can get help if they want to get over the addiction and otherwise they can get a job so they can get a place to do drugs legally. They are a part of society and their actions have negative consequences for others. We regulate that.
- Aurornis 3y ago
  > If you consume, only in particular establishments or at home, I think you're imagining a hypothetical scenario that doesn't match the problems described in the article. Portland isn't having problems with crime and homelessness because responsible adults are consuming moderate amounts of drugs from the comfort of their homes on the weekends. > If someone breaks those regulations, then they face similar kinds of penalties as people who produce and consume alcohol would. I think you've missed the point of the article and what's being discussed. Decriminalizing drug use means removing those penalties, which has resulted in widespread public drug use in those cities.

What does "legalize and regulate" mean? Isn't that true of most drugs? We are talking about what those regulations should be and what to do when people break the regulations.

rjbwork 3y ago

Probably as many regulations as there are on alcohol or tobacco or pharmaceuticals (which I'm also not a fan of the doctor/pharmaceutical gated access to other drugs). If you produce it has to be pure, tested, not adulterated, with standards for production facilities. If you consume, only in particular establishments or at home, and you can't drive while under the influence. If someone breaks those regulations, then they face similar kinds of penalties as people who produce and consume alcohol would. I really do not understand why people do not draw the same conclusion as if we don't already have a terribly destructive drug that society has more or less made peace with.

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chmod600 3y ago
So you'd arrest all of the homeless addicts and put them in jail for consuming in an unapproved place?
- amluto 3y ago
  If it’s genuinely dangerous for passersby when people are on the streets and have high doses of meth in them, then maybe? I don’t know nearly enough about the behavior of mentally ill homeless people and how it varies with addiction status and current meth levels, but I think there is no shortage of recent reports of dangerous addicts in various cities.
  - chmod600 3y ago
    You're the one who proposed the regulation ("particular establishments or at home"), and now you are already second-guessing whether it should actually be enforced (asking if it's "genuinely dangerous... maybe"). Regulation sounds good, but it doesn't just happen because it's written down. Enforcement is the messy part.
    - amluto 3y ago
      > You're the one who proposed the regulation ("particular establishments or at home") I am?
      - chmod600 3y ago
        My mistake. My question stands, then: does "legalize and regulate" mean that there would be regulations preventing the stated problems in Portland, and that they'd be actually enforced? Or is it essentially just the same as plain legalization?
- tomjen3 3y ago
  Why not? They can get help if they want to get over the addiction and otherwise they can get a job so they can get a place to do drugs legally. They are a part of society and their actions have negative consequences for others. We regulate that.
Aurornis 3y ago
> If you consume, only in particular establishments or at home, I think you're imagining a hypothetical scenario that doesn't match the problems described in the article. Portland isn't having problems with crime and homelessness because responsible adults are consuming moderate amounts of drugs from the comfort of their homes on the weekends. > If someone breaks those regulations, then they face similar kinds of penalties as people who produce and consume alcohol would. I think you've missed the point of the article and what's being discussed. Decriminalizing drug use means removing those penalties, which has resulted in widespread public drug use in those cities.