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What option is there besides give people housing, let them lived unhoused, or jail them for not acquiring housing?

Consultant32452 3y ago
You will never eliminate severe mental illness. You can, however, create systems that understand human incentives. If you can't even imagine options that don't involve systemic centralized planning, we are so far from moving towards peaceful solutions that my only incentive is to ship the antisocial people to your neighborhood.
- coffeecloud 3y ago
  I asked a pretty straightforward question and you responded with a very vague tangent. What other options are there besides giving people homes or allowing them to live on the street?
  - Consultant32452 3y ago
    Privatize all property. Eliminate zoning, licensing, labor laws including minimum wage, price controls, and building codes. Eliminate inflationary monetary policy. Dismantle the military industrial complex which creates the veteran->streets pipeline. Eliminate laws which reduce/limit liability of drug manufacturers. These policies eliminate the cliff off which people fall, resulting in living/defecating on the streets. There will still be some tiny fraction that are too ill/handicapped to work, but once their numbers are so small it becomes easier to help them on a case by case basis. Defining a top-down, centrally planned strategy from afar is the opposite of how to help anyone.
    - Spivak 3y ago
      > There will still be some tiny fraction that are too ill/handicapped to work One more time, for these people what are your options except giving them free housing, jailing them, or letting them live unhoused? Reducing the problem is nice but you still have to a policy at the bottom when all else still fails.
      - Consultant32452 3y ago
        I'm telling you explicitly that the idea that you need a policy is the whole problem with how you are thinking about this. "We" will do literally nothing. I might do something. You might do something. But no centrally planned collective action whatsoever. At the scale we're talking about here, the problem described in the subject of this thread is already solved.

You will never eliminate severe mental illness. You can, however, create systems that understand human incentives. If you can't even imagine options that don't involve systemic centralized planning, we are so far from moving towards peaceful solutions that my only incentive is to ship the antisocial people to your neighborhood.

coffeecloud 3y ago
I asked a pretty straightforward question and you responded with a very vague tangent. What other options are there besides giving people homes or allowing them to live on the street?
- Consultant32452 3y ago
  Privatize all property. Eliminate zoning, licensing, labor laws including minimum wage, price controls, and building codes. Eliminate inflationary monetary policy. Dismantle the military industrial complex which creates the veteran->streets pipeline. Eliminate laws which reduce/limit liability of drug manufacturers. These policies eliminate the cliff off which people fall, resulting in living/defecating on the streets. There will still be some tiny fraction that are too ill/handicapped to work, but once their numbers are so small it becomes easier to help them on a case by case basis. Defining a top-down, centrally planned strategy from afar is the opposite of how to help anyone.
  - Spivak 3y ago
    > There will still be some tiny fraction that are too ill/handicapped to work One more time, for these people what are your options except giving them free housing, jailing them, or letting them live unhoused? Reducing the problem is nice but you still have to a policy at the bottom when all else still fails.
    - Consultant32452 3y ago
      I'm telling you explicitly that the idea that you need a policy is the whole problem with how you are thinking about this. "We" will do literally nothing. I might do something. You might do something. But no centrally planned collective action whatsoever. At the scale we're talking about here, the problem described in the subject of this thread is already solved.