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reiterating: I want to see their side. I've lobbied in a variety of countries and stateside political entities successfully, and in the process I realized ever

reiterating: I want to see their side. I've lobbied in a variety of countries and stateside political entities successfully, and in the process I realized everyone thinks their cause is just. My ability to bridge consensus is more novel than the ideologies that have gravitated to the far extremes of their respective parties and will never gain consensus. What we have in common is that we all appreciate the influence that surpasses the popular vote, in places we could never be registered to vote in to begin with. So my causes have been enacted in some places, and people doing the same thing believe the same thing about their causes. Nobody sees themselves as the "shadowy foreign influence" in the other country's political process, but sure, the Michael Moore documentary 10 years too late will present it that way. In this case, I'd like to know what the proponents believe about this particular cause to even do. What are they trying to accomplish beyond "unaccountable secret government court to piss off technologists that have a hobby of paying attention to it"?

pessimizer 3y ago
> secret government court to piss off technologists Pretty sure nobody cares about what "technologists" think about it. Technologists will do what they're told, for pay. "Unaccountable secret government" is an obvious aim in itself, for people who think (or know) that they will be insiders.
costco 3y ago
Here's a talk that may interest you with former Director of the National Counterintelligence and Security Center Bill Evanina and Special Agent Charles McGonigal (yes, that one). https://youtu.be/aZdJ6aDsB08?t=5712 https://youtu.be/aZdJ6aDsB08?t=5712 They believe these powers are critical for counterintelligence and foreign influence investigations. I think that's not true, but I'm pretty sure they actually believe it.
roenxi 3y ago
> What are they trying to accomplish beyond "unaccountable secret government court to piss off technologists that have a hobby of paying attention to it"? We can make a solid guess. They are probably thinking "we will be given lots of money to spy on people" and "this is a low risk source of profits, governments generally don't roll back authoritarian policies". These things are usually alliances of convenience between people who make huge amounts of money off a policy and people who then get to spy on their ex-girlfriend and get a real high out of that sort of power. Most of the initial oomph comes from people with money.

pessimizer 3y ago

> secret government court to piss off technologists Pretty sure nobody cares about what "technologists" think about it. Technologists will do what they're told, for pay. "Unaccountable secret government" is an obvious aim in itself, for people who think (or know) that they will be insiders.

costco 3y ago

Here's a talk that may interest you with former Director of the National Counterintelligence and Security Center Bill Evanina and Special Agent Charles McGonigal (yes, that one). https://youtu.be/aZdJ6aDsB08?t=5712 https://youtu.be/aZdJ6aDsB08?t=5712 They believe these powers are critical for counterintelligence and foreign influence investigations. I think that's not true, but I'm pretty sure they actually believe it.

roenxi 3y ago

> What are they trying to accomplish beyond "unaccountable secret government court to piss off technologists that have a hobby of paying attention to it"? We can make a solid guess. They are probably thinking "we will be given lots of money to spy on people" and "this is a low risk source of profits, governments generally don't roll back authoritarian policies". These things are usually alliances of convenience between people who make huge amounts of money off a policy and people who then get to spy on their ex-girlfriend and get a real high out of that sort of power. Most of the initial oomph comes from people with money.