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There’s got to be some middle ground between locking up people for substance use disorder and allowing people to make public spaces unusable with their antisoci
by coffeecloud 3y ago
There’s got to be some middle ground between locking up people for substance use disorder and allowing people to make public spaces unusable with their antisocial behavior.
In my mind it’s something like “drugs are legal but public drug use and public intoxication are strictly illegal.” It’s just hard to enforce that when people don’t have a private place to use in.
- Consultant32452 3y ago>It’s just hard to enforce that when people don’t have a private place to use in. The problem is feeling like you owe it to addicts to provide them with a place to use. Privatize all the public spaces: parks, sidewalks, etc. Grant strong property rights to those spaces.
- coffeecloud 3y agoYou can get all high and mighty about who deserves what, or you can actually solve the problem and give people housing for free (or throw them in jail.) Would you rather be right, or live in a city without homelessness?
- Consultant32452 3y ago> give people housing for free (or throw them in jail.) This is a false choice. >Would you rather be right, or live in a city without homelessness? I can be right and also live in a city without homelessness. I'll just ship them to wherever you live, because you're so nice that you are volunteering to take care of the problem.
- coffeecloud 3y agoWhat option is there besides give people housing, let them lived unhoused, or jail them for not acquiring housing?
- Consultant32452 3y agoYou will never eliminate severe mental illness. You can, however, create systems that understand human incentives. If you can't even imagine options that don't involve systemic centralized planning, we are so far from moving towards peaceful solutions that my only incentive is to ship the antisocial people to your neighborhood.
- coffeecloud 3y agoI asked a pretty straightforward question and you responded with a very vague tangent. What other options are there besides giving people homes or allowing them to live on the street?
- Consultant32452 3y agoPrivatize all property. Eliminate zoning, licensing, labor laws including minimum wage, price controls, and building codes. Eliminate inflationary monetary policy. Dismantle the military industrial complex which creates the veteran->streets pipeline. Eliminate laws which reduce/limit liability of drug manufacturers. These policies eliminate the cliff off which people fall, resulting in living/defecating on the streets. There will still be some tiny fraction that are too ill/handicapped to work, but once their numbers are so small it becomes easier to help them on a case by case basis. Defining a top-down, centrally planned strategy from afar is the opposite of how to help anyone.
- Spivak 3y ago> There will still be some tiny fraction that are too ill/handicapped to work One more time, for these people what are your options except giving them free housing, jailing them, or letting them live unhoused? Reducing the problem is nice but you still have to a policy at the bottom when all else still fails.
- Consultant32452 3y ago
- gpm 3y ago> or throw them in jail. Which is really just a particularly expensive and unpleasant home when you put it in this context.