> To this day I know no relative or close friend of mine who ever drank any alcohol, nor one which used any drugs. That's pretty normal for even some secular (

> To this day I know no relative or close friend of mine who ever drank any alcohol, nor one which used any drugs. That's pretty normal for even some secular (non religious) Americans of European ancestry and their friend groups, I (as one) observe. We were far more interested in sports so that booze would be an interruption in ... sports, for example. I do not know how common that is. > But ofc this is the unthinkable for West. No, it's not. (See above.) The thing is that "westerners" that match your friend groups definitely exist with their own matching westerner friend groups, which i guess is a happy surprise. it might be we're not obvious though, to your point.