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This sounds a little like treating a symptom so one can pretend they don't need to solve the actual problem, which is homelessness. Which you solve by providing

This sounds a little like treating a symptom so one can pretend they don't need to solve the actual problem, which is homelessness. Which you solve by providing housing, and a long term caretaker-supported program to help folks clean up, get good psychiatric help and therapy, another pass at the educational system, and then hopefully at the end of all that, a new shot at a normal life. That costs a lot of money. Something that people who want to live in a city that's livable should probably be willing to collectively pay for. But don't.

flerchin 3y ago
The junkies are the problem. Homelessness is another problem, sometimes intertwined, but distinct. All the housing in the world doesn't change the hordes addicted to meth or fent, who would be an absolute plague even in some sort of magically awesome free housing situation.
autokad 3y ago
its very rare a person goes homeless because the prices in downtown Seattle are expensive. if housing goes up, you move to a place its more affordable - not to the street. The reason for this homelessness surge is drugs. Many of these people its a lifestyle choice, one that works very well for what they want. They get to beg, do drugs, and sell stolen goods all in one spot, its very convenient. yes, if you have been paying attention, all those store robberies and car break ins is very much related. many of those instances, the hot goods are exchanged for cash at these tent areas - some even have xmas lights! > "hopefully at the end of all that, a new shot at a normal life." What makes you think they even want that? They want to do drugs, they want to not work. we should re-criminalize public drug use, followed by not allowing people to set up permanent residence anywhere they please. All of a sudden, less people would want to choose that lifestyle.
- pseudalopex 3y ago
  > its very rare a person goes homeless because the prices in downtown Seattle are expensive. if housing goes up, you move to a place its more affordable - not to the street. Research disagrees.[1] [1] https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2023/08/22/how-housing-costs-drive-levels-of-homelessness https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/...
- TheRealPomax 3y ago
  >What makes you think they even want that? They want to do drugs, they want to not work. we should re-criminalize public drug use, followed by not allowing people to set up permanent residence anywhere they please. Any organization that actually helped deal with homelessness with the intent to help people, rather than the intent to "clean up the streets" (especially in countries that "solved", compared the US, this problem) will be more than happy to explain to you all the ways in which this claim is just complete nonsense, and will be equally happen to explain to you how much harm yelling "they're all criminals" does. To pretend that people choose to be homeless, or that homeless folks somehow have a better life when they're not on drugs that dull that experience and so should be trivially capable of choosing not to do drugs, is simply bonkers.

flerchin 3y ago

The junkies are the problem. Homelessness is another problem, sometimes intertwined, but distinct. All the housing in the world doesn't change the hordes addicted to meth or fent, who would be an absolute plague even in some sort of magically awesome free housing situation.

autokad 3y ago

its very rare a person goes homeless because the prices in downtown Seattle are expensive. if housing goes up, you move to a place its more affordable - not to the street. The reason for this homelessness surge is drugs. Many of these people its a lifestyle choice, one that works very well for what they want. They get to beg, do drugs, and sell stolen goods all in one spot, its very convenient. yes, if you have been paying attention, all those store robberies and car break ins is very much related. many of those instances, the hot goods are exchanged for cash at these tent areas - some even have xmas lights! > "hopefully at the end of all that, a new shot at a normal life." What makes you think they even want that? They want to do drugs, they want to not work. we should re-criminalize public drug use, followed by not allowing people to set up permanent residence anywhere they please. All of a sudden, less people would want to choose that lifestyle.

pseudalopex 3y ago
> its very rare a person goes homeless because the prices in downtown Seattle are expensive. if housing goes up, you move to a place its more affordable - not to the street. Research disagrees.[1] [1] https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2023/08/22/how-housing-costs-drive-levels-of-homelessness https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/...
TheRealPomax 3y ago
>What makes you think they even want that? They want to do drugs, they want to not work. we should re-criminalize public drug use, followed by not allowing people to set up permanent residence anywhere they please. Any organization that actually helped deal with homelessness with the intent to help people, rather than the intent to "clean up the streets" (especially in countries that "solved", compared the US, this problem) will be more than happy to explain to you all the ways in which this claim is just complete nonsense, and will be equally happen to explain to you how much harm yelling "they're all criminals" does. To pretend that people choose to be homeless, or that homeless folks somehow have a better life when they're not on drugs that dull that experience and so should be trivially capable of choosing not to do drugs, is simply bonkers.