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> plane hijacking wouldn't become a regular weekly occurrence? Except that there were relatively few hijackings prior to the TSA. Airport security of some form

> plane hijacking wouldn't become a regular weekly occurrence? Except that there were relatively few hijackings prior to the TSA. Airport security of some form, sure, but it was wildly different than the TSA. I've had an infuriatingly large number of nonsensical encounters with the TSA and would love to see that agency torn down and replaced. If not both, then just torn down. Arguably the two main deterrents from further hijackings in the US have absolutely nothing to do with the TSA: prior to 9/11, complying with hijackers was usually considered the "right" response. Also prior to 9/11, few if any airliners had secure cockpit doors.

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bogomipz 3y ago
Am I the only one that baffled that the secure cockpit doors remain open for the entire boarding process? It just seems silly.
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- gosub100 3y ago
  I think you're the only one who is baffled about an event that hasn't happened despite the doors being open on every single flight for 22 years.
  - bogomipz 3y ago
    And yet there was a time when the same thing could have been said about not having secured cockpit doors.
- amethyst 3y ago
  How else would airlines get little kids wide eyed at the vast array of lights and buttons and give them a branded pin and hat to win their hearts at an early age?
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  The plane isn't a 500mph missile at that point, and law enforcement still have easy access. It's not overly difficult to handle APU and engine startup on a modern plane, but there's still a bunch of other obstacles to overcome, wheel chocks, etc. And you're presumably not going to have a compliant tug to push you back (you can technically push back yourself with reverse thrust, but that's a whole thing unto itself).
- kelnos 3y ago
  Why is that a problem? A hijacker getting into the cockpit at that point can't really do all that much. The wheels are still blocked, and no tug is going to come along and push you back from the gate. There are likely still fuel lines and other umbilicals connected to the plane, not to mention the jet bridge. A flight attendant or other airline employee could pop down into the avionics bay (there are often access points outside the cockpit and even external to the plane) and start disconnecting things, making it really hard to get that plane moving. And even if you could get past that, no one at ATC is going to give you taxi, runway, or takeoff clearance. I guess you could just go anyway, and of course ATC will get other planes out of your way, since that's the safest thing to do, but in all the time it takes for you to taxi and take off, the nearest Air Force base will have a lot of time to scramble a fighter to take you out as soon as you're airborne... or perhaps even before you take off.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > no one at ATC is going to give you taxi, runway, or takeoff clearance A rogue plane unresponsive to ATC should trigger runway-blocking. This can be as simple as grounding aircraft where they stand.

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bogomipz 3y ago

Am I the only one that baffled that the secure cockpit doors remain open for the entire boarding process? It just seems silly.

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gosub100 3y ago
I think you're the only one who is baffled about an event that hasn't happened despite the doors being open on every single flight for 22 years.
- bogomipz 3y ago
  And yet there was a time when the same thing could have been said about not having secured cockpit doors.
amethyst 3y ago
How else would airlines get little kids wide eyed at the vast array of lights and buttons and give them a branded pin and hat to win their hearts at an early age?
FireBeyond 3y ago
The plane isn't a 500mph missile at that point, and law enforcement still have easy access. It's not overly difficult to handle APU and engine startup on a modern plane, but there's still a bunch of other obstacles to overcome, wheel chocks, etc. And you're presumably not going to have a compliant tug to push you back (you can technically push back yourself with reverse thrust, but that's a whole thing unto itself).
kelnos 3y ago
Why is that a problem? A hijacker getting into the cockpit at that point can't really do all that much. The wheels are still blocked, and no tug is going to come along and push you back from the gate. There are likely still fuel lines and other umbilicals connected to the plane, not to mention the jet bridge. A flight attendant or other airline employee could pop down into the avionics bay (there are often access points outside the cockpit and even external to the plane) and start disconnecting things, making it really hard to get that plane moving. And even if you could get past that, no one at ATC is going to give you taxi, runway, or takeoff clearance. I guess you could just go anyway, and of course ATC will get other planes out of your way, since that's the safest thing to do, but in all the time it takes for you to taxi and take off, the nearest Air Force base will have a lot of time to scramble a fighter to take you out as soon as you're airborne... or perhaps even before you take off.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > no one at ATC is going to give you taxi, runway, or takeoff clearance A rogue plane unresponsive to ATC should trigger runway-blocking. This can be as simple as grounding aircraft where they stand.