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> my self-hosted services are hosted on Oracle Cloud That's... one definition of self hosting

by lucb1e 3y ago

boredtofears 3y ago
Using Tailscale for it's VPN, too... that's a rather generous definition of self-hosting.
- cassianoleal 3y ago
  Weird take. What does the choice of remote ingress have to do with hosting things yourself? Hosting doesn't mean exposing to the public internet. It means running the stuff. It's perfectly fine to self-host a bunch of services that are only accessible from within your LAN. Using a VPN to expand that access doesn't change that, regardless of the VPN solution used.
  - boredtofears 3y ago
    Outsourcing a part of your network to a third party service doesn’t really fit the definition of self hosting to me. If you used headscale or wireguard it would.
    - cassianoleal 3y ago
      The author never claimed to self-host the VPN/Ingress.
      - boredtofears 3y ago
        VPN/Ingress could definitely be defined as a web service. Either way thats just picking on semantics. It strikes me as odd that an article about self-hosting would have so little of it in it.
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haolez 3y ago
I think it's a fair definition. If you are running it from home, should you also create your own ISP to be able to call yourself "self-hosted"? Your own power generator? :)
- JohnFen 3y ago
  Those aren't apt analogies. "Self-hosted" means "on your own hardware". It isn't talking about your internet feed or power generation.
  - Arch-TK 3y ago
    > "Self-hosted" means "on your own hardware". Does it? This is not the definition I've come accustomed to.
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      Until recently, I've never heard it used to mean anything else. If you're running your stuff in the cloud, wouldn't that be "cloud-hosted"? If "self-hosted" now includes cloud-hosted, then what should we call things that are actually self-hosted? The distinction matters. We should have a term.
  - zakki 3y ago
    Can't agree more. And the article mentions that they use free tier. It is not their server for sure.
  - haolez 3y ago
    I usually understand that as "you manage it".
  - howrar 3y ago
    Whenever I read about anything self-hosted, it's always about not being reliant on a single third party to provide the services you need. If you control the software and the data, you can easily move everything from one cloud provide to another or to your own hardware. Whether or not you own the hardware has no bearing on this.
hecanjog 3y ago
The point here is that they control the server and the data, not that it's running on a machine physically in the same building.
JohnFen 3y ago
This is the second time on HN I've seen a piece that incorrectly refers to hosting stuff in the cloud as "self-hosting". Is there a language change afoot here? But I understand where it comes from. We need some other term to talk about running your own services on machines you don't own or control. Something like "cloud-hosted".
- karmakaze 3y ago
  Self-managed. It can cover both cloud and on-prem instances. What that usually means is self-maintained, and I would rather outsource that to cloud/service vendors.

> my self-hosted services are hosted on Oracle Cloud That's... one definition of self hosting

by lucb1e 3y ago

> my self-hosted services are hosted on Oracle Cloud That's... one definition of self hosting

boredtofears 3y ago

Using Tailscale for it's VPN, too... that's a rather generous definition of self-hosting.

cassianoleal 3y ago
Weird take. What does the choice of remote ingress have to do with hosting things yourself? Hosting doesn't mean exposing to the public internet. It means running the stuff. It's perfectly fine to self-host a bunch of services that are only accessible from within your LAN. Using a VPN to expand that access doesn't change that, regardless of the VPN solution used.
- boredtofears 3y ago
  Outsourcing a part of your network to a third party service doesn’t really fit the definition of self hosting to me. If you used headscale or wireguard it would.
  - cassianoleal 3y ago
    The author never claimed to self-host the VPN/Ingress.
    - boredtofears 3y ago
      VPN/Ingress could definitely be defined as a web service. Either way thats just picking on semantics. It strikes me as odd that an article about self-hosting would have so little of it in it.

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haolez 3y ago

I think it's a fair definition. If you are running it from home, should you also create your own ISP to be able to call yourself "self-hosted"? Your own power generator? :)

JohnFen 3y ago
Those aren't apt analogies. "Self-hosted" means "on your own hardware". It isn't talking about your internet feed or power generation.
- Arch-TK 3y ago
  > "Self-hosted" means "on your own hardware". Does it? This is not the definition I've come accustomed to.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    Until recently, I've never heard it used to mean anything else. If you're running your stuff in the cloud, wouldn't that be "cloud-hosted"? If "self-hosted" now includes cloud-hosted, then what should we call things that are actually self-hosted? The distinction matters. We should have a term.
- zakki 3y ago
  Can't agree more. And the article mentions that they use free tier. It is not their server for sure.
- haolez 3y ago
  I usually understand that as "you manage it".
- howrar 3y ago
  Whenever I read about anything self-hosted, it's always about not being reliant on a single third party to provide the services you need. If you control the software and the data, you can easily move everything from one cloud provide to another or to your own hardware. Whether or not you own the hardware has no bearing on this.

hecanjog 3y ago

The point here is that they control the server and the data, not that it's running on a machine physically in the same building.

JohnFen 3y ago

This is the second time on HN I've seen a piece that incorrectly refers to hosting stuff in the cloud as "self-hosting". Is there a language change afoot here? But I understand where it comes from. We need some other term to talk about running your own services on machines you don't own or control. Something like "cloud-hosted".

karmakaze 3y ago
Self-managed. It can cover both cloud and on-prem instances. What that usually means is self-maintained, and I would rather outsource that to cloud/service vendors.