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The hackintosh community has tools to generate those #s. e.g. https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Post-Install/universal/iservices.html#using-gensmbios https://

The hackintosh community has tools to generate those #s. e.g. https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Post-Install/universal/iservices.html#using-gensmbios https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Post-Install/universal/i...

MuffinFlavored 3y ago
But why is it Apple's responsibility to accept a non-legit/unknown serial #?
- haswell 3y ago
  > But why is it Apple's responsibility to accept a non-legit/unknown serial #? I don’t think anyone is arguing that it’s Apple’s responsibility to accept fake serial numbers. The serial number is an implementation detail and not the core issue, which is Apple’s intentional degradation of the non-iMessage experience, and their stance against interoperability. If this was all about security, they could accept something other than an Apple serial #, and provide a UX that makes it clear the user is interacting with a non-Apple user. This would address most spam/abuse issues. But we know that this is about lock-in and not security.
  - MuffinFlavored 3y ago
    > I don’t think anyone is arguing that it’s Apple’s responsibility to accept fake serial numbers. Can we confirm if that's what is happening here or not? How else is Beeper Mini able to work given Apple's requirement "iMessage auth + read/write requires valid_serial_number"?
    - haswell 3y ago
      The “How Beeper Mini Works” post from a few days ago doesn’t mention the serial number, so I don’t know. But whether this is happening or not is immaterial to the broader philosophical issues being raised. For sake of argument, let’s say they’re faking a serial number to make the app work. How does that change the impact of Apple’s anti-interoperability stance? Again, if the real issue is security, nothing stops Apple from providing a secure alternative. And again, this takes us back to: this isn’t about security.
- asylteltine 3y ago
  It’s not, and they don’t. This is a cat and mouse game. Apple is free to block these and people are free to keep trying to get around it. Everyone should be acting in good faith
  - MuffinFlavored 3y ago
    > It’s not, and they don’t. > they don't They (Apple) don't accept requests without a valid serial #, but Beeper Mini is working (for users without iDevices), so there's some kind of exploit, no?
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MuffinFlavored 3y ago

But why is it Apple's responsibility to accept a non-legit/unknown serial #?

haswell 3y ago
> But why is it Apple's responsibility to accept a non-legit/unknown serial #? I don’t think anyone is arguing that it’s Apple’s responsibility to accept fake serial numbers. The serial number is an implementation detail and not the core issue, which is Apple’s intentional degradation of the non-iMessage experience, and their stance against interoperability. If this was all about security, they could accept something other than an Apple serial #, and provide a UX that makes it clear the user is interacting with a non-Apple user. This would address most spam/abuse issues. But we know that this is about lock-in and not security.
- MuffinFlavored 3y ago
  > I don’t think anyone is arguing that it’s Apple’s responsibility to accept fake serial numbers. Can we confirm if that's what is happening here or not? How else is Beeper Mini able to work given Apple's requirement "iMessage auth + read/write requires valid_serial_number"?
  - haswell 3y ago
    The “How Beeper Mini Works” post from a few days ago doesn’t mention the serial number, so I don’t know. But whether this is happening or not is immaterial to the broader philosophical issues being raised. For sake of argument, let’s say they’re faking a serial number to make the app work. How does that change the impact of Apple’s anti-interoperability stance? Again, if the real issue is security, nothing stops Apple from providing a secure alternative. And again, this takes us back to: this isn’t about security.
asylteltine 3y ago
It’s not, and they don’t. This is a cat and mouse game. Apple is free to block these and people are free to keep trying to get around it. Everyone should be acting in good faith
- MuffinFlavored 3y ago
  > It’s not, and they don’t. > they don't They (Apple) don't accept requests without a valid serial #, but Beeper Mini is working (for users without iDevices), so there's some kind of exploit, no?
  - deleted 3y ago
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