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Whoa there. That’s only half the story. https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/01/addressing-criticism-openai-will-no-longer-use-customer-data-to-train-its-models-by-d

Whoa there. That’s only half the story. https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/01/addressing-criticism-openai-will-no-longer-use-customer-data-to-train-its-models-by-default/ https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/01/addressing-criticism-opena... They said only if they opt in not that they wouldn’t do it. And they used to and could change those terms again after the market matures and developers have deeply integrated application investments. Plenty of companies have followed this strategy in the past. Let’s not oversimplify the situation as it was a recent change as well…

kristjansson 3y ago
That's only for ChatGPT. The APIs are governed by [0] > We will only use Customer Content as necessary to provide you with the Services, comply with applicable law, and enforce OpenAI Policies. We will not use Customer Content to develop or improve the Services. [0]: https://openai.com/policies/business-terms https://openai.com/policies/business-terms
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- voiceblue 3y ago
  That language seems to be doing a lot of heavy lifting. A more straightforward phrasing would've been "we will never process or otherwise consume customer content once it has been delivered to you". As written, they could use it to train GPT-5 or what-have-you and refuse to share it with you, making that exempt as it is apart from "services". Or all manner of other shenanigans, if they have competent lawyers.
  - kristjansson 3y ago
    You can't really read the language at face value. 'Services' is defined term in the contract: > “Services” means any services for businesses and developers we make available for purchase or use, along with any of our associated software, tools, developer services, documentation, and websites, but excluding any Third Party Offering. Of course it's still language, and one can quibble with any language, but it's reasonably restrictive.
    - voiceblue 3y ago
      That’s my point though, they can clearly use your data to train as long as they don’t sell/share those models themselves, as per this contract. At the end of the day you can’t blindly trust your data is safe, even with a solid contract (bad actors exist, after all). So whatever you do, do it at your own risk.
danenania 3y ago
Microsoft can also change their terms so I don’t see much difference there. I can understand preferring the Azure endpoints, but let’s be accurate about what the policies are.
- linkenaxx 3y ago
  +1 i dont think Azure provides that much more in terms of data privacy unless youre saying we should believe Azure's policies but not OpenAI's...

kristjansson 3y ago

That's only for ChatGPT. The APIs are governed by [0] > We will only use Customer Content as necessary to provide you with the Services, comply with applicable law, and enforce OpenAI Policies. We will not use Customer Content to develop or improve the Services. [0]: https://openai.com/policies/business-terms https://openai.com/policies/business-terms

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voiceblue 3y ago
That language seems to be doing a lot of heavy lifting. A more straightforward phrasing would've been "we will never process or otherwise consume customer content once it has been delivered to you". As written, they could use it to train GPT-5 or what-have-you and refuse to share it with you, making that exempt as it is apart from "services". Or all manner of other shenanigans, if they have competent lawyers.
- kristjansson 3y ago
  You can't really read the language at face value. 'Services' is defined term in the contract: > “Services” means any services for businesses and developers we make available for purchase or use, along with any of our associated software, tools, developer services, documentation, and websites, but excluding any Third Party Offering. Of course it's still language, and one can quibble with any language, but it's reasonably restrictive.
  - voiceblue 3y ago
    That’s my point though, they can clearly use your data to train as long as they don’t sell/share those models themselves, as per this contract. At the end of the day you can’t blindly trust your data is safe, even with a solid contract (bad actors exist, after all). So whatever you do, do it at your own risk.

danenania 3y ago

Microsoft can also change their terms so I don’t see much difference there. I can understand preferring the Azure endpoints, but let’s be accurate about what the policies are.

linkenaxx 3y ago
+1 i dont think Azure provides that much more in terms of data privacy unless youre saying we should believe Azure's policies but not OpenAI's...