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Unfortunately, the common refrain in scenarios like this is that it's your fault. Even ignoring the weed, which I think a lot of people would have sympathy for,

by pc86 3y ago

Unfortunately, the common refrain in scenarios like this is that it's your fault. Even ignoring the weed, which I think a lot of people would have sympathy for, you owed child support that wasn't paid and had a [bench, presumably] warrant out for your arrest. The simple fact of the matter is that most people don't owe court-mandated child support at any point in their lives, most people that do owe it pay it, and most people don't ever have warrants out for their arrest. I don't say this as any sort of moral or character judgment, but simply to point out that part of the reason this thing is allowed to happen is because the people it's happening to are very rarely sympathetic individuals. They're viewed as bad people and "others" by the majority of the population. So what's the fix for this? I wish I had an answer, but I don't. Maybe teaching empathy so that the court system starts feeling pressure from the citizens that this isn't ok. Maybe legislation against charge stacking just to elicit plea deals. There's also the very real possibility of the pendulum swinging too far in the other direction where DAs don't charge petty crime and people charged with violent crimes are released on signature bonds.

k2enemy 3y ago
I think you misread the parent. They didn't have an outstanding warrant, the driver did.
- pc86 3y ago
  You're right! I'm sure many would still view this as an "oh well, your own fault" type of thing though.
  - chaps 3y ago
    Do you?
- incahoots 3y ago
  You're correct, the friend had the warranty out for child support, I was in good standing paid up. The fear was being jailed too long to respond to potential employers so that I could continue to work. Child support agencies are immediately notified if you've been let go and will hound you on a daily basis to find employment, there are no breaks. Thankfully I'm in a much better position in life, but I know what it's like if you don't have access to capital to hire a good defense attorney who isn't behind the 8-ball like public defenders always find themselves.
chaps 3y ago
"Teaching empathy" won't do a thing and'll just be mocked and memed. We need to start at a lower fundamental. An easy first step would be to increase accessibility to court documents so that journalists and researchers have better means of researching these complex problems. In Illinois for example, the judicial branch is exempt from FOIA. This effectively manifests itself as an informal allowance of judges/prosecutors to get away with a lot of systemic injustices. They get away with it because the means of identifying these systemic problems is through data and records that exist beyond a moat. One existing alternative to FOIA here is the county clerk's in-person system.. but the system times out on half of its searches, is missing tons of docs, painfully slow, etc. Another existing path is through a FOIA to the State's Attorney's office, but they're notoriously slow and I'm amongst the handful of others who are suing for non-responsiveness. A lot of this is made worse by the State's Attorney hashing person and case identifiers to make it effectively impossible to understand how someone's case progressed through the courts, starting from the arrest.
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incahoots 3y ago
Just for clarification I wasn't the one with the warrant, nor behind in child support. Entirely my friend's position, not mine. I think it's important to point out that our justice system is so overburdened with cases they have to take deals, and that's just for the side of the system where folks don't have access to capital to hire good attorneys, they get stuck with the even more overburdened public defenders, who don't eve have time to review any of the details of the charge. Then there's the other side that is well off and can fight their charge with a great attorney, or a team of lawyers, at which point the county/state decides it's not worth the hassle to tie up their DA on this particular case and they provide the defense with an agreeable plea (usually a slap on the wrist to get it wrapped up quick), then proceed with the next one. As as most faculties in our society, the issue is and always has been an issue of resources. The problem is everything is paywalled to near obscurity, and we kick the can further down the road.

by pc86 3y ago

k2enemy 3y ago

I think you misread the parent. They didn't have an outstanding warrant, the driver did.

pc86 3y ago
You're right! I'm sure many would still view this as an "oh well, your own fault" type of thing though.
- chaps 3y ago
  Do you?
incahoots 3y ago
You're correct, the friend had the warranty out for child support, I was in good standing paid up. The fear was being jailed too long to respond to potential employers so that I could continue to work. Child support agencies are immediately notified if you've been let go and will hound you on a daily basis to find employment, there are no breaks. Thankfully I'm in a much better position in life, but I know what it's like if you don't have access to capital to hire a good defense attorney who isn't behind the 8-ball like public defenders always find themselves.

chaps 3y ago

"Teaching empathy" won't do a thing and'll just be mocked and memed. We need to start at a lower fundamental. An easy first step would be to increase accessibility to court documents so that journalists and researchers have better means of researching these complex problems. In Illinois for example, the judicial branch is exempt from FOIA. This effectively manifests itself as an informal allowance of judges/prosecutors to get away with a lot of systemic injustices. They get away with it because the means of identifying these systemic problems is through data and records that exist beyond a moat. One existing alternative to FOIA here is the county clerk's in-person system.. but the system times out on half of its searches, is missing tons of docs, painfully slow, etc. Another existing path is through a FOIA to the State's Attorney's office, but they're notoriously slow and I'm amongst the handful of others who are suing for non-responsiveness. A lot of this is made worse by the State's Attorney hashing person and case identifiers to make it effectively impossible to understand how someone's case progressed through the courts, starting from the arrest.

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incahoots 3y ago

Just for clarification I wasn't the one with the warrant, nor behind in child support. Entirely my friend's position, not mine. I think it's important to point out that our justice system is so overburdened with cases they have to take deals, and that's just for the side of the system where folks don't have access to capital to hire good attorneys, they get stuck with the even more overburdened public defenders, who don't eve have time to review any of the details of the charge. Then there's the other side that is well off and can fight their charge with a great attorney, or a team of lawyers, at which point the county/state decides it's not worth the hassle to tie up their DA on this particular case and they provide the defense with an agreeable plea (usually a slap on the wrist to get it wrapped up quick), then proceed with the next one. As as most faculties in our society, the issue is and always has been an issue of resources. The problem is everything is paywalled to near obscurity, and we kick the can further down the road.