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> but regulate the shit out of it. So like a ban, but just a bit less so? This will bring the same ill effects, but a bit less so. What it the win then?

by lstodd 3y ago

Consultant32452 3y ago
It's important to protect the r̶i̶c̶h̶ ̶i̶n̶c̶u̶m̶b̶e̶n̶t̶s̶ public from c̶o̶m̶p̶e̶t̶i̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ predators.
dangus 3y ago
“A bit less so” is the point. Under this logic you’re using, there’s no point to having speed limits on roadways or seatbelts and safety devices in cars. If we can never eliminate car crash deaths, why bother with all those regulations? Lower number of bad thing is better than higher number of bad thing. This is known to be effective with cigarettes. Higher taxes reduce usage. Less advertising reduces usage. Advertising induces demand that would not otherwise exist.
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  I think it is pretty different. The moral justification for speed limits is risks to others on shared roads, not oneself. You can drive as fast as you want on a private track.
  - SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
    Seat belt law might be a better analogy, though there is always the risk of becoming a projectile when you don’t wear one that can injure others, so even that’s not a perfect one.
    - s1artibartfast 3y ago
      That's better, and still legal to ignore on private property. There was a lot of anger and discussion about public seat belt laws for the reasons you said.
  - dangus 3y ago
    I think the family members of frequent gamblers might argue against the idea that it’s got no negative externalities to others.
rpgbr 3y ago
In Brazil, tobacco is heavily regulated. They can’t advertise on TV and they must show scary health alerts on the back of their packages, for example. Since government started this trend, in end of 80s, tobacco usage is in free fall, as shown by this Brazilian Cancer Institute chart: https://www.gov.br/inca/pt-br/assuntos/gestor-e-profissional-de-saude/observatorio-da-politica-nacional-de-controle-do-tabaco/dados-e-numeros-do-tabagismo/quedadaprevalencia.png https://www.gov.br/inca/pt-br/assuntos/gestor-e-profissional...

> but regulate the shit out of it. So like a ban, but just a bit less so? This will bring the same ill effects, but a bit less so. What it the win then?

by lstodd 3y ago

> but regulate the shit out of it. So like a ban, but just a bit less so? This will bring the same ill effects, but a bit less so. What it the win then?

Consultant32452 3y ago

It's important to protect the r̶i̶c̶h̶ ̶i̶n̶c̶u̶m̶b̶e̶n̶t̶s̶ public from c̶o̶m̶p̶e̶t̶i̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ predators.

dangus 3y ago

“A bit less so” is the point. Under this logic you’re using, there’s no point to having speed limits on roadways or seatbelts and safety devices in cars. If we can never eliminate car crash deaths, why bother with all those regulations? Lower number of bad thing is better than higher number of bad thing. This is known to be effective with cigarettes. Higher taxes reduce usage. Less advertising reduces usage. Advertising induces demand that would not otherwise exist.

s1artibartfast 3y ago
I think it is pretty different. The moral justification for speed limits is risks to others on shared roads, not oneself. You can drive as fast as you want on a private track.
- SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
  Seat belt law might be a better analogy, though there is always the risk of becoming a projectile when you don’t wear one that can injure others, so even that’s not a perfect one.
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    That's better, and still legal to ignore on private property. There was a lot of anger and discussion about public seat belt laws for the reasons you said.
- dangus 3y ago
  I think the family members of frequent gamblers might argue against the idea that it’s got no negative externalities to others.

rpgbr 3y ago

In Brazil, tobacco is heavily regulated. They can’t advertise on TV and they must show scary health alerts on the back of their packages, for example. Since government started this trend, in end of 80s, tobacco usage is in free fall, as shown by this Brazilian Cancer Institute chart: https://www.gov.br/inca/pt-br/assuntos/gestor-e-profissional-de-saude/observatorio-da-politica-nacional-de-controle-do-tabaco/dados-e-numeros-do-tabagismo/quedadaprevalencia.png https://www.gov.br/inca/pt-br/assuntos/gestor-e-profissional...