5 ms·

>The whole "green bubble" shaming issue. Even if that's a real thing and not an imaginary or minor phenomenon hyped up for clicks, it is hardly anti-trust-wort

>The whole "green bubble" shaming issue. Even if that's a real thing and not an imaginary or minor phenomenon hyped up for clicks, it is hardly anti-trust-worthy. 70% of American teenagers may have access to iMessage due to it being on their phones but there is a 0.0% chance that, in aggregate, iMessage is in their top five most-used messaging apps.

Miner49er 3y ago
Do you have data to back this up? I would be shocked if iMessage wasn't the most used messaging app by US teens or consumers in general.
- jdlshore 3y ago
  I would guess Discord is more popular, based on my teens’ usage.
  - Miner49er 3y ago
    Maybe, but they probably text you through iMessage.
    - joshmanders 3y ago
      This just in, teen prefers to message with friends via Discord, but uses iMessage to message parents who are also on iMessage and not discord. We must file an anti-trust lawsuit against Apple, stat! Do you realize how ridiculous this reasoning is?
      - Miner49er 3y ago
        No where have I argued for antitrust. I'm just saying iMessage is probably the most used messaging app in the US, others are claiming it's not without any data.
        joshmanders 3y ago
        > I'm just saying iMessage is probably the most used messaging app in the US > others are claiming it's not without any data. So quick question, why do you get to claim something without data but others have to back up their claims with data? Anyway, I can't find anything that is specifically about the US in 2023 (so far) that isn't requiring a payment for a large sum, but everything else I found seems to back up the claims by everyone else. Most of them don't even include iMessage in the top 10, and the one that does has it in like 8th place with one caveat, facetime itself is 2nd to Facebook Messenger which absolutely dominated the list. https://www.businessofapps.com/data/messaging-app-market/ https://www.businessofapps.com/data/messaging-app-market/
        Miner49er 3y ago
        That's because the data doesn't exist. Even the site you linked said they don't have data for iMessage. I'm calling out people for making a claim without any evidence. I'm not providing evidence because there isn't any.
        sokoloff 3y ago
        > I'm calling out people for making a claim without any evidence. I'm not providing evidence because there isn't any. I can't tell if that's intentional sarcasm or something else.
cmiles74 3y ago
I can't speak to the anti-trust issue but it is a real thing. My daughter couldn't join the group chat used by her (all iPhone) cheerleading team. We ended up missing last minute changes to practice locations more than once. And, of course, there was some teasing from the other team members about how my daughter's parents were too cheap to buy them a proper phone.
- spease 3y ago
  "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their SMS but by the content of their character."
  - hnfong 3y ago
    ... "by the content of their messages".
- hifreq 3y ago
  I can't play many games on my MacBook, so can't play and hang out with friends who all have Xbox/PS5. What should I do?
- tibbydudeza 3y ago
  We had the same issue when Blackberry ruled the roost at school and the go to question was what is your BBM PIN. Eventually we gave up and bought two Curve's. Never discount peer pressure.
airstrike 3y ago
> Even if that's a real thing and not an imaginary or minor phenomenon hyped up for clicks, it is hardly anti-trust-worthy. I'm in a group chat with (former) coworkers who repeatedly (albeit playfully) shame the one group member who forces us all to use green bubbles. It's a real thing
- jpc0 3y ago
  Sounds like you need a new group of people around you. You honestly see Apple as the aggressor in that situation and not those people?
  - airstrike 3y ago
    > Sounds like you need a new group of people around you ... > You honestly see Apple as the aggressor in that situation and not those people? Where did I call Apple an aggressor? Stick to the facts, please.
    - jpc0 3y ago
      Your comment came across as defending the position that Apple is in the wrong for not allowing iMessage to be accessible from all platforms, my crude definition of "the aggressor" my apologies if that is not how you meant your comment to come across.
- TerrifiedMouse 3y ago
  This whole green bubble equal shame thing is 100% on people. The reason there are 2 different colors is so people can tell when they are using SMS because SMS are capped / cost money in most of the world - while iMessage messages are unlimited and free.
  - airstrike 3y ago
    > This whole green bubble equal shame thing is 100% on people. Easy, then! Let's just fix people
tmiku 3y ago
I'm not sure why you're so confident in that 0.0% assertion. iMessage is integrated with the default/ubiquitous messaging app on iPhones, and I think it's reasonable to assume that teenagers are messaging mainly other teenagers who are likely to have iPhones (and thus using iMessage). What do you think is beating out iMessage here apart from SMS? Snapchat, WhatsApp, various social net DMs? The biggest non-iMessage usage numbers I can imagine still don't exceed what I'd expect from iMessage, just based on its ubiquity in that demographic.
RobotToaster 3y ago
> it is hardly anti-trust-worthy. why?
hcurtiss 3y ago
I have teen girls in Oregon. iMessage is decidedly the number one messaging app. The others aren't even close. There's no universe where my daughters use anything but iPhones. For better or worse, their friend group deliberately excludes those who cannot use the full functionality of iMessage. In case you've forgotten, teen girls are not terribly "equity" minded, particularly when it comes to tech.
- tibbydudeza 3y ago
  Teen girls and clique's - tell me about it as a parent of two daughters.

Miner49er 3y ago

Do you have data to back this up? I would be shocked if iMessage wasn't the most used messaging app by US teens or consumers in general.

jdlshore 3y ago
I would guess Discord is more popular, based on my teens’ usage.
- Miner49er 3y ago
  Maybe, but they probably text you through iMessage.
  - joshmanders 3y ago
    This just in, teen prefers to message with friends via Discord, but uses iMessage to message parents who are also on iMessage and not discord. We must file an anti-trust lawsuit against Apple, stat! Do you realize how ridiculous this reasoning is?
    - Miner49er 3y ago
      No where have I argued for antitrust. I'm just saying iMessage is probably the most used messaging app in the US, others are claiming it's not without any data.
      - joshmanders 3y ago
        > I'm just saying iMessage is probably the most used messaging app in the US > others are claiming it's not without any data. So quick question, why do you get to claim something without data but others have to back up their claims with data? Anyway, I can't find anything that is specifically about the US in 2023 (so far) that isn't requiring a payment for a large sum, but everything else I found seems to back up the claims by everyone else. Most of them don't even include iMessage in the top 10, and the one that does has it in like 8th place with one caveat, facetime itself is 2nd to Facebook Messenger which absolutely dominated the list. https://www.businessofapps.com/data/messaging-app-market/ https://www.businessofapps.com/data/messaging-app-market/
        Miner49er 3y ago
        That's because the data doesn't exist. Even the site you linked said they don't have data for iMessage. I'm calling out people for making a claim without any evidence. I'm not providing evidence because there isn't any.
        sokoloff 3y ago
        > I'm calling out people for making a claim without any evidence. I'm not providing evidence because there isn't any. I can't tell if that's intentional sarcasm or something else.

cmiles74 3y ago

I can't speak to the anti-trust issue but it is a real thing. My daughter couldn't join the group chat used by her (all iPhone) cheerleading team. We ended up missing last minute changes to practice locations more than once. And, of course, there was some teasing from the other team members about how my daughter's parents were too cheap to buy them a proper phone.

spease 3y ago
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their SMS but by the content of their character."
- hnfong 3y ago
  ... "by the content of their messages".
hifreq 3y ago
I can't play many games on my MacBook, so can't play and hang out with friends who all have Xbox/PS5. What should I do?
tibbydudeza 3y ago
We had the same issue when Blackberry ruled the roost at school and the go to question was what is your BBM PIN. Eventually we gave up and bought two Curve's. Never discount peer pressure.

airstrike 3y ago

> Even if that's a real thing and not an imaginary or minor phenomenon hyped up for clicks, it is hardly anti-trust-worthy. I'm in a group chat with (former) coworkers who repeatedly (albeit playfully) shame the one group member who forces us all to use green bubbles. It's a real thing

jpc0 3y ago
Sounds like you need a new group of people around you. You honestly see Apple as the aggressor in that situation and not those people?
- airstrike 3y ago
  > Sounds like you need a new group of people around you ... > You honestly see Apple as the aggressor in that situation and not those people? Where did I call Apple an aggressor? Stick to the facts, please.
  - jpc0 3y ago
    Your comment came across as defending the position that Apple is in the wrong for not allowing iMessage to be accessible from all platforms, my crude definition of "the aggressor" my apologies if that is not how you meant your comment to come across.
TerrifiedMouse 3y ago
This whole green bubble equal shame thing is 100% on people. The reason there are 2 different colors is so people can tell when they are using SMS because SMS are capped / cost money in most of the world - while iMessage messages are unlimited and free.
- airstrike 3y ago
  > This whole green bubble equal shame thing is 100% on people. Easy, then! Let's just fix people

tmiku 3y ago

I'm not sure why you're so confident in that 0.0% assertion. iMessage is integrated with the default/ubiquitous messaging app on iPhones, and I think it's reasonable to assume that teenagers are messaging mainly other teenagers who are likely to have iPhones (and thus using iMessage). What do you think is beating out iMessage here apart from SMS? Snapchat, WhatsApp, various social net DMs? The biggest non-iMessage usage numbers I can imagine still don't exceed what I'd expect from iMessage, just based on its ubiquity in that demographic.

RobotToaster 3y ago

> it is hardly anti-trust-worthy. why?

hcurtiss 3y ago

I have teen girls in Oregon. iMessage is decidedly the number one messaging app. The others aren't even close. There's no universe where my daughters use anything but iPhones. For better or worse, their friend group deliberately excludes those who cannot use the full functionality of iMessage. In case you've forgotten, teen girls are not terribly "equity" minded, particularly when it comes to tech.

tibbydudeza 3y ago
Teen girls and clique's - tell me about it as a parent of two daughters.