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He said “at least”. And he specified “guilty of what they were charged with”. You also need to factor in the people who are guilty of crime A (that they did c

by csa 3y ago

He said “at least”. And he specified “guilty of what they were charged with”. You also need to factor in the people who are guilty of crime A (that they did commit but were not convicted of) but are convicted of crime B (that they did not commit) for whatever reason. I’ve seen “street justice” like this. In some cases I think it a net good (right outcome for the wrong reasons, typically involving a serial criminal who manages to avoid the “smoking gun”), but sometimes it’s just an abuse of power that needs to be rectified.

qingcharles 3y ago
A lot of people in that 5% take a plea for a crime they didn't commit because the plea is so sweet it saves them from trial on all of the charges, some of which they clearly did commit and might receive a higher sentence for than the plea deal. The overcharging is a trick by the prosecution to secure the plea. I see people charged with murder who plead to manslaughter when the case was manslaughter from the beginning, but who risks going to trial and being found guilty of murder? Minimum on murder is usually 20 years straight, whereas manslaughter is usually probationable.
anigbrowl 3y ago
What he wrote: at least 95% of the people locked up are guilty of something related to their charges What you wrote: And he specified “guilty of what they were charged with”. These aren't the same. It's depressing to see someone being misquoted on literally the same page as their original statement, in a discussion about lack of accuracy in legal proceedings.
- csa 3y ago
  1. I am not a lawyer or an LEO. 2. This is not a court of law or a legal arm of anything. Quite the contrary, it’s a social forum. 3. I don’t think any point you made materially changes the relevance of my point(s). I appreciate being accurate and precise, but focusing on intent of communication goes a long way.

by csa 3y ago

qingcharles 3y ago

A lot of people in that 5% take a plea for a crime they didn't commit because the plea is so sweet it saves them from trial on all of the charges, some of which they clearly did commit and might receive a higher sentence for than the plea deal. The overcharging is a trick by the prosecution to secure the plea. I see people charged with murder who plead to manslaughter when the case was manslaughter from the beginning, but who risks going to trial and being found guilty of murder? Minimum on murder is usually 20 years straight, whereas manslaughter is usually probationable.

anigbrowl 3y ago

What he wrote: at least 95% of the people locked up are guilty of something related to their charges What you wrote: And he specified “guilty of what they were charged with”. These aren't the same. It's depressing to see someone being misquoted on literally the same page as their original statement, in a discussion about lack of accuracy in legal proceedings.

csa 3y ago
1. I am not a lawyer or an LEO. 2. This is not a court of law or a legal arm of anything. Quite the contrary, it’s a social forum. 3. I don’t think any point you made materially changes the relevance of my point(s). I appreciate being accurate and precise, but focusing on intent of communication goes a long way.